1 00:00:09,669 --> 00:00:06,680 a shame so anyway we are going to be at 2 00:00:12,709 --> 00:00:09,679 the MUFON suppose iam on the 26th 3 00:00:16,189 --> 00:00:12,719 through the 28th or the evening of the 4 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:16,199 28th if someone wants to find out 5 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:20,369 exactly when that show will be on 6 00:00:27,620 --> 00:00:22,320 YouTube live as I said it won't be on K 7 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:27,630 GRA and it won't it won't be on the 8 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:29,789 regular podcast but it will be an audio 9 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:32,790 podcast for supporters so if someone 10 00:00:35,990 --> 00:00:34,260 wants to find out when that's going to 11 00:00:39,799 --> 00:00:36,000 be live what you're going to have to do 12 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:39,809 is go to podcast UFO calm and over on 13 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:42,600 the right hand side there is a 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:45,750 newsletter you can sign up for now your 15 00:00:51,709 --> 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00:01:24,900 unfortunately Alejandro did not make it 30 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:28,380 so he will be back next week hopefully 31 00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:32,970 and I think it's time I think that's 32 00:01:37,399 --> 00:01:34,860 about all I have I think it's time to 33 00:01:37,910 --> 00:01:37,409 bring in our guest Nomar welcome to the 34 00:01:41,539 --> 00:01:37,920 show 35 00:01:43,730 --> 00:01:41,549 yo what's going on Martin oh yeah so you 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:43,740 have been I don't know the people on 37 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:45,329 YouTube I don't know you want to see 38 00:01:50,749 --> 00:01:47,340 this but I'm wearing my mane holy 39 00:01:53,149 --> 00:01:50,759 mackerel shirt I saved it for the 40 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:53,159 special occasion for a main show I 41 00:01:57,350 --> 00:01:55,110 couldn't find anything with moose or 42 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:57,360 lobster you know that's what mostly 43 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:00,240 people think of us up in Maine I'm sure 44 00:02:08,059 --> 00:02:02,909 I got to read your last book I just got 45 00:02:09,619 --> 00:02:08,069 this book in the mail today and so here 46 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:09,629 it is uh just showing it for the people 47 00:02:16,620 --> 00:02:10,840 on YouTube 48 00:02:17,339 --> 00:02:16,630 and there it is okay so anyway I can't 49 00:02:20,990 --> 00:02:17,349 wait to read it 50 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:21,000 and I know that there's one story that 51 00:02:27,089 --> 00:02:24,160 is about the town that I grew up in in 52 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:27,099 Elliot Maine now I'm just going to throw 53 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:29,440 some questions at you about the book 54 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:30,280 itself 55 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:32,110 did you actually interview that person 56 00:02:38,130 --> 00:02:36,340 in Elliot mean I did not did not I could 57 00:02:40,979 --> 00:02:38,140 not I could not get messages returned 58 00:02:42,479 --> 00:02:40,989 back to me okay but you did write it can 59 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:42,489 you talk about that story in particular 60 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:46,750 what happened yeah well there's there's 61 00:02:53,610 --> 00:02:49,330 a actually four or five different 62 00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:53,620 stories in the Elliot chapter itself so 63 00:02:58,979 --> 00:02:56,470 which one in particular of the Elliot 64 00:03:00,990 --> 00:02:58,989 stories are you referring to oh I 65 00:03:03,330 --> 00:03:01,000 thought there was only one I'm sorry 66 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:03,340 so just no heading to go go into any one 67 00:03:07,949 --> 00:03:05,530 which one of them because this is what I 68 00:03:11,130 --> 00:03:07,959 remembered I know that the one story I 69 00:03:14,550 --> 00:03:11,140 had looked through briefly back a year 70 00:03:16,319 --> 00:03:14,560 ago yes yes yes yeah that happens that 71 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:16,329 happens right after me a few years after 72 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:19,690 I left town and I probably the funny 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:21,190 thing is about growing up in a small 74 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:27,250 town is back in the 70s when I was there 75 00:03:31,289 --> 00:03:29,560 it's like everyone knew everyone else so 76 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:31,299 it'd be really surprised if I didn't 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:33,760 know you know who that was involved in 78 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:36,250 these cases but we did have a UFO flap 79 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:39,280 there was a lot of talk about UFO 80 00:03:45,990 --> 00:03:43,870 sightings back then there was yeah and I 81 00:03:48,090 --> 00:03:46,000 know that there was a there was one hoax 82 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:48,100 in particular that I know of 83 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:49,840 it's actually people on dirt bikes was 84 00:03:55,289 --> 00:03:51,670 some type of flashing lights got 85 00:03:57,479 --> 00:03:55,299 everyone all riled up but yeah if you 86 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:57,489 can talk any about that one in 87 00:04:01,800 --> 00:03:59,680 particular go ahead if you would yeah 88 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:01,810 yeah I'll actually mention a couple of 89 00:04:06,690 --> 00:04:04,000 things but first I just want to say 90 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:06,700 anytime I correspond with you Martin 91 00:04:11,099 --> 00:04:08,530 either email or Facebook Messenger or 92 00:04:14,910 --> 00:04:11,109 something in my head I'm always saying 93 00:04:17,460 --> 00:04:14,920 ma and hua and like the you know for 94 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:17,470 Martin Lawrence sitcom yeah I just 95 00:04:22,409 --> 00:04:18,700 thought you should know that yeah yeah 96 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:22,419 anyway so there was a flap a really big 97 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:23,470 flap ease 98 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:28,590 six and Loren Coleman was in 99 00:04:34,850 --> 00:04:32,800 communication with Betty Hill about all 100 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:34,860 of this stuff and Jerome Clark as well 101 00:04:41,970 --> 00:04:38,290 about the the flap of 66 that was going 102 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:41,980 on and apparently it would be multiple 103 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:43,360 nights you could almost set your clock 104 00:04:47,790 --> 00:04:43,780 by it 105 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:47,800 they would follow the river and it got 106 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:50,230 so congested at some point that police 107 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:52,540 were called in to help manage traffic 108 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:54,310 because so many people were going to 109 00:04:58,500 --> 00:04:57,160 watch the UFOs food carts were set up 110 00:05:00,870 --> 00:04:58,510 because there were so many people 111 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:00,880 wanting to watch the UFO so that's 112 00:05:05,730 --> 00:05:04,240 pretty crazy but fast forward about ten 113 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:05,740 years I can't remember if it was 76 114 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:07,630 somebody ate something like that there 115 00:05:13,020 --> 00:05:10,150 was a gentleman and he was a teenager at 116 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:13,030 the time and they were him and his 117 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:15,070 family were on the verge of moving to 118 00:05:20,250 --> 00:05:18,160 Alaska he was literally spending the 119 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:20,260 last night in his empty room in a 120 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:22,510 sleeping bag and all he had was a radio 121 00:05:27,780 --> 00:05:24,760 and a pillow and a sleeping bag and that 122 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:27,790 was it so he's laying down and he's got 123 00:05:32,130 --> 00:05:29,710 the radio on local station it's just 124 00:05:35,730 --> 00:05:32,140 playing music and he sees something 125 00:05:39,690 --> 00:05:35,740 outside the window and to him from his 126 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:39,700 perspective it was about the height of 127 00:05:45,390 --> 00:05:41,800 his second-story window but it was a 128 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:45,400 ways away from him and to him it looked 129 00:05:52,590 --> 00:05:49,120 like a black coffin was crazy that's a 130 00:05:54,330 --> 00:05:52,600 crazy description you know so he gets up 131 00:05:55,950 --> 00:05:54,340 and he kneels up at the window and he's 132 00:05:59,460 --> 00:05:55,960 looking it over and he's studying at all 133 00:06:01,680 --> 00:05:59,470 and then it just disappears on him it 134 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:01,690 takes off so he's like whoa what the 135 00:06:05,310 --> 00:06:03,880 hell was that you know so he's thinking 136 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:05,320 about it and then he's like well I guess 137 00:06:09,390 --> 00:06:06,370 I'll lie back down 138 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:09,400 and lays back down just gets comfortable 139 00:06:13,710 --> 00:06:11,290 boom sees it at his window again and 140 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:13,720 it's even closer he thinks it's in his 141 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:15,370 backyard and it's hovering right above 142 00:06:21,030 --> 00:06:18,280 rate about second storey window level 143 00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:21,040 for him and so he again runs right to 144 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:22,720 the window kneels down and he's looking 145 00:06:27,510 --> 00:06:24,610 at it he's studying everything and he 146 00:06:29,940 --> 00:06:27,520 can see these little almost instruments 147 00:06:32,159 --> 00:06:29,950 kind of poking out of it and he can see 148 00:06:36,149 --> 00:06:32,169 that it's not really coffin shaped it's 149 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:36,159 more like a comb with a dull end of it 150 00:06:42,029 --> 00:06:40,330 if you will and so he watched that for 151 00:06:44,159 --> 00:06:42,039 not too long was about five minutes or 152 00:06:45,989 --> 00:06:44,169 so and it finally takes off and he was 153 00:06:47,189 --> 00:06:45,999 just left with you know all this 154 00:06:50,899 --> 00:06:47,199 wonderment like what the hell was that 155 00:06:53,489 --> 00:06:50,909 and so he lays back down and the radio 156 00:06:54,989 --> 00:06:53,499 that was playing the music the DJ comes 157 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:54,999 on and says that he's starting to get 158 00:06:59,969 --> 00:06:57,610 calls about a UFO being seen in Elliott 159 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,979 and so he starts taking some calls from 160 00:07:05,489 --> 00:07:02,080 listeners and this this gentleman called 161 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:05,499 in and told his story as well and when 162 00:07:14,579 --> 00:07:12,060 he grew up he got into aeronautics and 163 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:14,589 really really understood at that point 164 00:07:19,499 --> 00:07:16,089 after he went through his schooling that 165 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:19,509 what he saw back as a teenager in his 166 00:07:25,290 --> 00:07:21,990 opinion was not of this world 167 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:25,300 Wow yeah do you remember what year that 168 00:07:30,809 --> 00:07:27,490 was exactly I can actually look it up 169 00:07:31,829 --> 00:07:30,819 for you I'm pretty sure it was 76 or 78 170 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:31,839 but let me check yeah that's what I 171 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:34,060 remember was something like that 78 I 172 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:37,990 believe from what I recall but um so 173 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:40,870 let's uh first of all I know this is 174 00:07:47,100 --> 00:07:43,810 your second time on the show but can you 175 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:47,110 give if you would listener I know that 176 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:50,080 you lived in Portland Maine you lived in 177 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:53,409 Boston but can you give the listener 178 00:07:58,230 --> 00:07:56,110 your background basically I know I 179 00:07:59,999 --> 00:07:58,240 should have asked for that first but you 180 00:08:02,579 --> 00:08:00,009 know what to get you interested also in 181 00:08:04,679 --> 00:08:02,589 the topic and it's not just UFOs you 182 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:04,689 have you have a lot of different 183 00:08:11,820 --> 00:08:07,539 encounters that you to actually bring 184 00:08:14,939 --> 00:08:11,830 out in this book so I do yeah yeah so a 185 00:08:18,570 --> 00:08:14,949 little bit about me I've been a musician 186 00:08:21,119 --> 00:08:18,580 for the last 25 years a man I'm on a 187 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:21,129 record label out of Portland Maine it's 188 00:08:24,570 --> 00:08:23,080 called mill Pittman records so shout out 189 00:08:27,869 --> 00:08:24,580 to ma che and Bruce outski and all those 190 00:08:33,809 --> 00:08:27,879 guys Mike clouds and I've been making 191 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:33,819 music for a long long time and running 192 00:08:39,569 --> 00:08:36,010 parallel with that was also this 193 00:08:42,780 --> 00:08:39,579 fascination with the paranormal and a 194 00:08:45,810 --> 00:08:42,790 lot of my friends tell me that I make 195 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:45,820 Exopolitics type music you know cuz it's 196 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:48,040 it's really intertwined into my songs 197 00:08:55,620 --> 00:08:53,680 but the reason I got into the paranormal 198 00:08:57,750 --> 00:08:55,630 and I've been into it longer than than 199 00:09:00,210 --> 00:08:57,760 making music is an encounter I had at 200 00:09:01,290 --> 00:09:00,220 like four or five years old I saw 201 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:01,300 something that didn't make a whole lot 202 00:09:05,090 --> 00:09:02,950 of sense it looked like a lightning bolt 203 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:05,100 that was stuck in the clouds and 204 00:09:09,870 --> 00:09:07,990 electricity was coming off of it it was 205 00:09:12,420 --> 00:09:09,880 very weird and there were loud booms and 206 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:12,430 during my research for the last book in 207 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:14,800 this book I've come across many cases 208 00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:18,100 where people have seen UFOs and heard 209 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:20,440 booms associated with it 210 00:09:24,210 --> 00:09:22,330 not necessarily that they looked at the 211 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:24,220 light and then instantly heard a boom 212 00:09:28,350 --> 00:09:26,020 but there were booming sounds and a 213 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:28,360 light was observed you know doesn't mean 214 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:29,890 it's extraterrestrial no but it's 215 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:31,420 interesting to say the least and I think 216 00:09:40,050 --> 00:09:34,290 Garner's more some more research anyway 217 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:40,060 so a couple of months after having that 218 00:09:44,070 --> 00:09:42,610 sighting of whatever it was in my young 219 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:44,080 mind I just thought it was a lightning 220 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:46,180 bolt stuck in the clouds but I knew that 221 00:09:52,580 --> 00:09:47,770 wasn't right I knew that didn't make 222 00:09:55,740 --> 00:09:52,590 sense and it kind of scared me and a 223 00:09:58,500 --> 00:09:55,750 couple of months later my mom and dad 224 00:10:00,420 --> 00:09:58,510 will Greene my sister up out of bed so 225 00:10:03,510 --> 00:10:00,430 we could go observe the Northern Lights 226 00:10:06,450 --> 00:10:03,520 and it was quite the show that you mean 227 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:06,460 it was it was crazy and it was after 228 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:08,140 that sighting of the Northern Lights 229 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:12,790 that I knew like this world is friggin 230 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:15,250 weird you know and and I was I was 231 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:18,130 actually kind of scared there were some 232 00:10:24,210 --> 00:10:21,730 other paranormal happenings that were 233 00:10:26,370 --> 00:10:24,220 going I think my mom and dad's house in 234 00:10:28,050 --> 00:10:26,380 Fort Kent Maine where I grew up until 235 00:10:30,420 --> 00:10:28,060 about fourth grade I'm pretty sure it 236 00:10:34,170 --> 00:10:30,430 was haunted and whatever was there would 237 00:10:36,990 --> 00:10:34,180 bother me quite often North is you can 238 00:10:38,430 --> 00:10:37,000 get in Maine isn't it it is literally 239 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:38,440 throw a rock and hit Canada like 240 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:39,760 literally that's how close it was 241 00:10:45,420 --> 00:10:42,610 so no more I'm sorry to interrupt 242 00:10:47,790 --> 00:10:45,430 quickly yeah but could you please take 243 00:10:49,350 --> 00:10:47,800 the cable to your mic and just put it 244 00:10:51,870 --> 00:10:49,360 out over your back or something I 245 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:51,880 believe your cable is making noise as 246 00:10:55,769 --> 00:10:54,580 you're talking about here there's some 247 00:10:59,340 --> 00:10:55,779 cable noise or something 248 00:11:04,590 --> 00:10:59,350 here try that okay see if that's any 249 00:11:08,369 --> 00:11:04,600 better so after kind of being frightened 250 00:11:11,699 --> 00:11:08,379 up until I was like 9 10 11 years old I 251 00:11:14,939 --> 00:11:11,709 started looking for books on the 252 00:11:16,619 --> 00:11:14,949 paranormal and UFOs in the library and I 253 00:11:19,139 --> 00:11:16,629 started reading everything I could on it 254 00:11:21,869 --> 00:11:19,149 but you know at 10 11 12 years old I 255 00:11:24,949 --> 00:11:21,879 didn't understand everything but you 256 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:24,959 know I was relating to the stories and 257 00:11:31,889 --> 00:11:28,689 and my fear kind of turned into 258 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:31,899 fascination and as I got into my later 259 00:11:36,689 --> 00:11:34,720 teens and early 20s it was all 260 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:36,699 fascination I wasn't scared anymore 261 00:11:42,090 --> 00:11:39,970 and I figured if I was scared before 262 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:42,100 maybe people are scared now and maybe I 263 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:44,230 can maybe I can help people not be so 264 00:11:51,210 --> 00:11:48,370 scared and that's kind of started this 265 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:51,220 this road on talking to witnesses and 266 00:11:55,439 --> 00:11:53,680 collecting stories and it all that good 267 00:11:57,929 --> 00:11:55,449 stuff so that's that's kind of like the 268 00:11:59,189 --> 00:11:57,939 early beginnings of it all I see okay 269 00:12:01,290 --> 00:11:59,199 hey no more I'm gonna ask you one more 270 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:01,300 question do you happen to have a fan 271 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:07,990 running I do I I would love to but I 272 00:12:14,699 --> 00:12:12,250 think I might die well will be for the 273 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:14,709 good of the show it's actually what's 274 00:12:18,509 --> 00:12:16,600 going on we have like a we have a fan 275 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:18,519 noise and air coming in through your mic 276 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:21,490 and sorry about that to the listener but 277 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:23,769 if you can move the fan away a little 278 00:12:27,749 --> 00:12:26,350 bit I will take well we'll just pick 279 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:27,759 that up during the break and see what we 280 00:12:36,389 --> 00:12:32,470 can do all right so I got to tell you I 281 00:12:39,119 --> 00:12:36,399 had I was snowmobiling when I was oh I 282 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:39,129 don't know probably 14 or something like 283 00:12:44,189 --> 00:12:41,649 that and I saw the Northern Lights and I 284 00:12:47,490 --> 00:12:44,199 I understand it scared the heck out of 285 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:47,500 me I didn't know what it was it was just 286 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:49,300 coming down from the sky and it was like 287 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:54,490 I was petrified and I had no idea what 288 00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:57,610 it was until you know many years later I 289 00:13:01,410 --> 00:12:58,720 figured it out must have been the 290 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:01,420 Northern Lights but uh so I get that 291 00:13:07,590 --> 00:13:04,089 yeah yeah it was strange and it and it 292 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:07,600 seemed it seemed whoa you know I don't 293 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:09,040 know when I think of the Northern Lights 294 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:09,790 I just think 295 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:11,410 there is just way up in the atmosphere 296 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:13,870 you know but the optical illusion or 297 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:16,930 whatever is happening in my experience 298 00:13:23,490 --> 00:13:19,780 anyways made it appear quite low and I 299 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:23,500 was just terrified yeah yeah 300 00:13:30,690 --> 00:13:27,070 so yeah having something I think having 301 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:30,700 something happened as a kid really it 302 00:13:37,470 --> 00:13:33,190 does kind of set in motion you know at 303 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:37,480 least a curiosity and which I really do 304 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:40,510 appreciate and you know anyone that has 305 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:43,270 that curiosity it's kind of like it's 306 00:13:48,990 --> 00:13:45,130 kind of like gives life a little more 307 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:49,000 meaning you know to to have curiosity 308 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:51,730 and things that are like the everyday 309 00:13:56,250 --> 00:13:54,610 person may not think of you know yeah 310 00:14:00,210 --> 00:13:56,260 it's like you've gained this you gained 311 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:00,220 this like immediate knowledge that it 312 00:14:02,970 --> 00:14:01,810 seems like a lot of people don't have or 313 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:02,980 like you were saying don't think about 314 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:05,440 you know and it almost seems like you 315 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:07,510 have this little this little secret 316 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:10,270 I know makes you more aware it's 317 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:12,820 interesting I also think that someday if 318 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:16,630 if we don't blow ourselves up that we're 319 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:20,530 gonna be talking about someday we're 320 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:22,900 gonna know that if there's alien life 321 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:25,870 out there I don't want to say or not but 322 00:14:29,250 --> 00:14:27,370 someday we're gonna know if there's 323 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:29,260 alien life out there and it'll probably 324 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:32,710 be a casual conversation of a saying do 325 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:33,910 you remember them when we thought we 326 00:14:37,740 --> 00:14:36,010 were the only ones how silly that was 327 00:14:40,770 --> 00:14:37,750 you know I think that someday that will 328 00:14:43,050 --> 00:14:40,780 happen yeah no I I agree and it's kind 329 00:14:44,580 --> 00:14:43,060 of interesting I know Flat Earth theory 330 00:14:48,750 --> 00:14:44,590 is kind of making a comeback right now 331 00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:48,760 but for normal people that understand 332 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:52,480 the earth is round you know what a 333 00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:54,610 century ago we all thought that the 334 00:14:57,900 --> 00:14:56,200 earth was flat like legitimately that 335 00:15:00,030 --> 00:14:57,910 was just like common knowledge well yeah 336 00:15:01,950 --> 00:15:00,040 man that we were the center yeah yeah 337 00:15:03,630 --> 00:15:01,960 and that we were the center of the 338 00:15:06,180 --> 00:15:03,640 universe you know so like what are we 339 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:06,190 gonna know 10 20 30 100 years from now 340 00:15:14,510 --> 00:15:12,560 there's no way to not be open-minded in 341 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:14,520 my opinion you can be you can be 342 00:15:21,470 --> 00:15:18,360 skeptical you can ask questions but 343 00:15:23,570 --> 00:15:21,480 open-minded you gotta be yeah and just 344 00:15:24,890 --> 00:15:23,580 real briefly we're gonna be going into 345 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:24,900 the break here in a little bit but real 346 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:27,750 briefly can you go into the different 347 00:15:32,060 --> 00:15:29,730 topics that you cover in this book I 348 00:15:35,750 --> 00:15:32,070 know I believe well these are actually a 349 00:15:36,110 --> 00:15:35,760 mock man and sighting or something up in 350 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:36,120 Maine 351 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:41,310 this odd creature that was seeing twenty 352 00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:43,320 five-foot wingspan it was about four 353 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:45,390 feet tall very odd 354 00:15:50,270 --> 00:15:48,210 there's also a dog man sorry how tall 355 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:50,280 did you say about four four and a half 356 00:15:55,940 --> 00:15:53,490 feet Oh twenty five-foot ones man oh my 357 00:15:59,780 --> 00:15:55,950 goodness oh yeah that's huge that's I 358 00:16:02,120 --> 00:15:59,790 mean that's like a little Cessnock but 359 00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:02,130 there's also a dog man encounter that I 360 00:16:08,930 --> 00:16:05,240 talk about a men and black crop circles 361 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:08,940 abductions obviously so lots and lots of 362 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:10,980 crazy stuff Wow 363 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:13,050 now who's that who's the guy in Portland 364 00:16:18,830 --> 00:16:16,170 I just met him Louella Llewellyn Who am 365 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:18,840 I thinking of he has the Crypt 366 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:22,440 cryptology of Museum oh yeah Loren 367 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:24,210 Coleman that's what I'm thinking of so 368 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:27,180 you know I met him when a Chris O'Brien 369 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:29,730 was here oh that's right I saw your 370 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:31,890 picture there yeah yeah so we were at 371 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:35,760 the Museum and I met Lauren and he says 372 00:16:40,010 --> 00:16:37,440 that you know there's been sightings 373 00:16:42,980 --> 00:16:40,020 Bigfoot sightings in Maine and is that 374 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:42,990 it yeah that's nothing nothing that I 375 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,610 had ever heard of but we have such 376 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:47,040 wildernesses just an amazing wilderness 377 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:49,410 of course the allagash incident happened 378 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:52,200 there I think that's a very credible 379 00:16:56,060 --> 00:16:54,810 case myself I would leave you and I 380 00:16:59,780 --> 00:16:56,070 talked about the last time you were on 381 00:17:03,710 --> 00:16:59,790 the show we did so we are coming up on 382 00:17:06,860 --> 00:17:03,720 the break so I just want to say that 383 00:17:09,670 --> 00:17:06,870 thank you everyone for listening to us 384 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:09,680 we are on with know Morris Levesque and 385 00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,050 you're listening to podcast UFO on kgr a 386 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:15,600 radio and we'll be right back right 387 00:17:26,490 --> 00:17:24,750 okay gentlemen we're in the clear four 388 00:17:28,980 --> 00:17:26,500 minutes in this break brother four 389 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:28,990 minutes got it okay all right I'm going 390 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:33,070 to try Nomura briefly talk to you about 391 00:17:36,899 --> 00:17:35,500 this and the way things have been going 392 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:36,909 I'm not sure if it's gonna work but I 393 00:17:42,510 --> 00:17:40,450 figured I would try to give this woman a 394 00:17:45,950 --> 00:17:42,520 call if not I'll try to remember her 395 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:45,960 story if she doesn't actually answer 396 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:49,600 name is Jackie oh let's give her a call 397 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:52,720 she's a fun lady down in Massachusetts 398 00:17:58,019 --> 00:17:55,330 I'm gonna check on that fan quick oh yes 399 00:18:04,310 --> 00:17:58,029 if you could see if you could move it I 400 00:18:18,539 --> 00:18:06,510 think it's affecting the microphone 401 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:18,549 somehow it all have AC okay so we still 402 00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:20,470 live on YouTube yeah we are still alive 403 00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:29,470 I've been to this hold up YouTube now 404 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:30,880 the person I'm calling her name is 405 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:33,270 Jackie she's a real character and 406 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:36,360 hopefully she will pick up the phone I 407 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:39,940 talked to her earlier today but when I 408 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:42,850 tried her again she didn't now I'm 409 00:18:50,159 --> 00:18:45,700 hoping that this doesn't put you on hold 410 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:50,169 but it's possible it does let's give it 411 00:18:55,380 --> 00:18:52,000 a try and see I don't know how else I 412 00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:55,390 can add a call by dialing also should I 413 00:19:01,910 --> 00:18:59,200 be seeing your life picture or no I have 414 00:19:17,710 --> 00:19:04,430 so if you go on hold I'll figure out 415 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:21,530 major cept I think he goes on hold so I 416 00:20:07,130 --> 00:19:23,130 may just have to call back she's 417 00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:07,140 actually there well this is something 418 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:14,390 okay let's see if I can go back over 419 00:20:21,170 --> 00:20:18,060 here all right no more can you actually 420 00:20:31,450 --> 00:20:21,180 hear me yep okay so you're back that's 421 00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:31,460 good okay all right so anyway I'll tell 422 00:20:38,570 --> 00:20:35,280 her story actually I don't think we have 423 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:38,580 enough time maybe I will tell it I will 424 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:42,210 tell it now race do you mind telling me 425 00:20:50,030 --> 00:20:44,730 how much time we have left I don't mind 426 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:50,040 it at all let me look about 30 seconds 427 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:51,930 until interim I'm back to the show okay 428 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:54,210 we don't have time BB's more time do you 429 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:56,010 need oh no nope that's fine we'll be 430 00:20:58,750 --> 00:20:56,850 fine okay 431 00:21:05,330 --> 00:20:58,760 I'll just I'll bring it up during uh 432 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:05,340 during when we start back in all right 433 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:08,340 so YouTube listeners thanks for hanging 434 00:21:13,489 --> 00:21:10,610 in we started a little bit late and 435 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:13,499 thank you for again waiting for us I 436 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:15,330 haven't even looked at the chat room 437 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:17,580 we'll be taking calls after the top of 438 00:21:23,749 --> 00:21:19,830 the hour there are actually people in 439 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:23,759 chat we may have questions brother man 440 00:21:28,489 --> 00:21:26,190 we're running right on time actually 441 00:21:30,519 --> 00:21:28,499 we're about 15 seconds early it's 442 00:21:33,649 --> 00:21:30,529 amazing okay 443 00:21:36,619 --> 00:21:33,659 when you're ready okay are you all set 444 00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:36,629 yes all set here okay y'all are all set 445 00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:37,080 then 446 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:41,220 alright here we go gang in five four 447 00:21:50,859 --> 00:21:47,730 three two welcome back to podcast UFO on 448 00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:50,869 kgr a radio that's catchy are a 449 00:21:58,629 --> 00:21:55,950 radio.com my guest is Nomar Slovak we 450 00:22:00,889 --> 00:21:58,639 went to break we tried to wrestle up a 451 00:22:03,139 --> 00:22:00,899 woman I wanted to be on the show I 452 00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:03,149 talked to her earlier today she's all 453 00:22:07,609 --> 00:22:05,460 excited to be on I told her exactly when 454 00:22:09,889 --> 00:22:07,619 I was be I'd be calling she got cold 455 00:22:13,759 --> 00:22:09,899 feet obviously so I'm gonna tell her 456 00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:13,769 story so what happened and I love when 457 00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:14,700 things like this happen 458 00:22:20,239 --> 00:22:17,700 but I was checking into a hotel she was 459 00:22:23,539 --> 00:22:20,249 working at the hotel and so I gave her 460 00:22:25,369 --> 00:22:23,549 my license and she said Sebago main I 461 00:22:27,529 --> 00:22:25,379 said yeah she goes I know all about 462 00:22:31,399 --> 00:22:27,539 Sebago main she goes I was on Sebago 463 00:22:33,499 --> 00:22:31,409 Lake and so I was filling out paperwork 464 00:22:36,619 --> 00:22:33,509 not paying too much attention and I said 465 00:22:38,629 --> 00:22:36,629 yeah yeah it's nice and blah blah so all 466 00:22:43,489 --> 00:22:38,639 of a sudden I heard the word UFO I go 467 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:43,499 what did you just say and she said I saw 468 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,039 a UFO because I know it's weird and you 469 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:49,440 think I'm weird I said no no no tell me 470 00:22:53,629 --> 00:22:52,110 about it so basically when she was I 471 00:22:57,980 --> 00:22:53,639 think she said when she was in her teens 472 00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:57,990 she was on an island camping in Sebago 473 00:23:03,379 --> 00:23:00,960 and it was I believe it was in the 474 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:03,389 morning and she looked up and she saw 475 00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:06,330 this craft and she woke up I may get 476 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,039 some of this wrong but this is the kind 477 00:23:13,159 --> 00:23:10,740 of the story she told me that she told 478 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:13,169 me about a couple months ago I believe 479 00:23:17,659 --> 00:23:14,730 it was so I may not be totally accurate 480 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:17,669 just let you know but they saw a craft 481 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:19,130 and the amazing thing that 482 00:23:22,510 --> 00:23:20,690 really struck me it's because I've heard 483 00:23:25,420 --> 00:23:22,520 this a couple of times she said it 484 00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:25,430 bursts into several lights and then it 485 00:23:30,580 --> 00:23:28,340 made a formation I said pretty sure she 486 00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:30,590 said a triangular formation and then she 487 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:33,980 said it shot off and her herself 488 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:36,290 and several other peoples was witnessing 489 00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:41,090 this and so anyway that was I love those 490 00:23:45,910 --> 00:23:43,700 type of stories when I hear like someone 491 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:45,920 that's you know just casually talking 492 00:23:50,650 --> 00:23:48,890 about it or someone that I didn't they 493 00:23:52,930 --> 00:23:50,660 didn't know that I had any interest in 494 00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:52,940 UFOs those are really fun stories to 495 00:24:00,040 --> 00:23:56,720 hear so that was that was the main story 496 00:24:01,930 --> 00:24:00,050 I was hoping to bring yeah and Martin 497 00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:01,940 just so you know I have a buddy whose 498 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:04,550 family is from the Sebago Lake area and 499 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:08,930 and I don't know how does Sebago Lake go 500 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:11,570 as far as where you are oh yeah I'm just 501 00:24:17,230 --> 00:24:13,910 a few miles away okay 502 00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:17,240 well his family is from the Sebago Lake 503 00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:20,480 area and they have had encounters the 504 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:22,880 whole time he lived there and it was 505 00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:25,370 starting back in the late no I'm sorry 506 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:30,020 early 80s where he kind of saw this et 507 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:31,880 type creature peeked through a window 508 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:34,970 I'll stand Romanick I'm not a big fan of 509 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:36,650 Stand Romanek so I'm sorry I brought his 510 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:39,650 name up but if you just wanted a visual 511 00:24:43,150 --> 00:24:42,080 that's but you know when he described it 512 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:43,160 that's what it looked like but again he 513 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:44,450 was a kid at the time he was probably 514 00:24:48,670 --> 00:24:45,770 six seven eight years old 515 00:24:50,410 --> 00:24:48,680 and also they saw lots of lights in the 516 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:50,420 sky when they were on the canoe in 517 00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:53,180 Sebago Lake at night and he also had a 518 00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,060 cryptid encounter while he was in Sebago 519 00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:58,880 and there was this it looked like it was 520 00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:02,480 a stone or brick home that had you know 521 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:04,940 kind of weathered over time and so there 522 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:06,650 was just like a partial wall still left 523 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:10,810 up and whatever this thing was was 524 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:15,170 perched on the top of this wall and when 525 00:25:20,290 --> 00:25:18,650 they saw my buddy and his buddies come 526 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:20,300 coming down riding their bikes as they 527 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:22,730 were kids it like leaped off and you 528 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:24,680 know ran the other way but some some 529 00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:26,090 pretty crazy stuff happening Sebago 530 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:27,230 anything Wow 531 00:25:31,150 --> 00:25:29,450 now I was talking to someone that said 532 00:25:31,690 --> 00:25:31,160 there was a major so I believe I talked 533 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:31,700 to you 534 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:34,130 or essentially mail asking you if you 535 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:37,250 knew about this and that was on Long 536 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:41,150 Lake which is actually connected to two 537 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:43,610 Sebago through a series of lock there's 538 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:45,530 a lock system that's been there since 539 00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,330 the 1830s a lot different depths like 540 00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,400 three and a half feet different and 541 00:25:58,420 --> 00:25:55,360 depths and I went up there with my boat 542 00:26:01,180 --> 00:25:58,430 I don't know maybe a month or a few 543 00:26:02,380 --> 00:26:01,190 weeks ago but so long lake is a 544 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:02,390 beautiful lake 545 00:26:09,850 --> 00:26:05,570 it's a Naples Maine and someone told me 546 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:09,860 they had a huge triangle UFO sighting 547 00:26:14,050 --> 00:26:11,480 over that that was gliding right over 548 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:14,060 the lake and I believe you said you had 549 00:26:18,460 --> 00:26:16,370 not heard about that that's right 550 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,470 yeah so I don't know if that was one 551 00:26:24,460 --> 00:26:20,960 that was even reported and speaking of 552 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:24,470 really is that is that one way you find 553 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:27,130 out encounters and mangez through MUFON 554 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:31,220 that is one way I've been writing and 555 00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:34,670 researching extraterrestrials and UFO 556 00:26:39,580 --> 00:26:37,280 encounters for quite a while now that I 557 00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:39,590 get sent leads either from the actual 558 00:26:44,020 --> 00:26:42,200 witness or somebody who knows a witness 559 00:26:45,910 --> 00:26:44,030 who says hey you should probably talk to 560 00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,920 this guy and so I let them know that 561 00:26:49,690 --> 00:26:47,600 they can you know send them my info 562 00:26:51,370 --> 00:26:49,700 things like that so that's how a lot of 563 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:51,380 it is happening these days it's you know 564 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:53,090 word of mouth and I get personal emails 565 00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,750 or I get facebook messages from actual 566 00:26:59,620 --> 00:26:58,400 witnesses or people that know witnesses 567 00:27:01,720 --> 00:26:59,630 and then that just kind of starts the 568 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:01,730 ball rolling from there now it's really 569 00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:04,210 interesting how Facebook is playing into 570 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:07,550 the UFO field as so many other fields 571 00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:11,090 but it's it really it really is a place 572 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:14,180 where people connect yeah and it's a 573 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:18,850 good way to be at arm's length you know 574 00:27:23,470 --> 00:27:21,590 with this topic especially in Maine 575 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:23,480 there's you know a lot of people here 576 00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:25,190 are very reserved they don't want to 577 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:27,860 appear crazy just like you said about 578 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:30,470 that woman who saw the things in Sebago 579 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:31,850 you know she's like I know you think I'm 580 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:34,430 crazy that's how people still think a 581 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:36,050 lot of the times and I I don't think 582 00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,970 there's any need to feel that way but 583 00:27:42,850 --> 00:27:40,640 people feel that way night and I think 584 00:27:43,980 --> 00:27:42,860 via Facebook you know there's a nice 585 00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:43,990 arms 586 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:48,910 comfortable telling their story but it's 587 00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:49,929 not like they did it in our room front 588 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:52,980 of people you know so when you actually 589 00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:55,210 you know I want to talk about this 590 00:28:01,740 --> 00:27:57,179 because the people of Maine are kind of 591 00:28:03,270 --> 00:28:01,750 unique in a way hard workers especially 592 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:03,280 you know like the fishermen the lobster 593 00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:08,890 men they're just like real earnest 594 00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:12,520 people and really really difficult to 595 00:28:17,850 --> 00:28:14,830 break the ice with sometimes hard to get 596 00:28:21,390 --> 00:28:17,860 to know once you befriend one you know 597 00:28:25,169 --> 00:28:21,400 usually you become a lifelong friend how 598 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:25,179 do you feel I feel like if you're 599 00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:28,240 speaking to someone not that people are 600 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:29,940 totally different from where they're at 601 00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:33,010 where they live you know all people are 602 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:37,030 similar but I think that because of 603 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:39,970 their attributes that a story can 604 00:28:44,580 --> 00:28:42,130 actually have more credibility in a 605 00:28:48,270 --> 00:28:44,590 certain way and what's your thoughts on 606 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:48,280 that I definitely agree I think it's 607 00:28:53,910 --> 00:28:50,620 very important for me as a researcher 608 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:53,920 and investigator to meet as many of 609 00:28:59,370 --> 00:28:55,870 these witnesses in person as much as 610 00:29:02,370 --> 00:28:59,380 possible hope seen has become rampant in 611 00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:02,380 every genre if you will of the 612 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:05,470 paranormal that it really helps me to 613 00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:07,809 engage the situation if I can meet the 614 00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:11,080 person in person for some of the stories 615 00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:12,640 in my book I could not meet the people 616 00:29:16,350 --> 00:29:14,590 they might have started out reaching out 617 00:29:18,930 --> 00:29:16,360 to me and then got cold feet kind of 618 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:18,940 like what happened on today's call and 619 00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:23,050 then sometimes all they want to share is 620 00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:24,790 via messenger and that's it so I don't 621 00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:26,140 get to talk to them in person but I get 622 00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:28,030 their story and I try to ask as many 623 00:29:31,650 --> 00:29:29,679 questions as possible I probably come 624 00:29:32,910 --> 00:29:31,660 across as annoying but when I can meet 625 00:29:36,450 --> 00:29:32,920 somebody when I can look in their eye 626 00:29:39,419 --> 00:29:36,460 when I can see their their body language 627 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:39,429 it really helps me to determine what 628 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:41,530 their this person is telling the truth 629 00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,630 or not I'm not a cop I'm not a you know 630 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:45,760 a human lie detector so I'm just as 631 00:29:51,299 --> 00:29:49,360 fallible in detecting those but at least 632 00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:51,309 I think there's more of a chance if I 633 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:53,260 meet somebody in person especially if 634 00:29:57,570 --> 00:29:54,760 I'm talking to a cop or somebody from 635 00:30:00,030 --> 00:29:57,580 the military it's so compelling it's so 636 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:00,040 Capelli do you have any stories that you 637 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:03,250 can share that do involve either a cop 638 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:07,330 or military yeah this time yeah there's 639 00:30:11,820 --> 00:30:09,760 uh one of each actually there's more 640 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:11,830 military in this book I think there's 641 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:16,420 only one or two yeah yeah something up 642 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:17,890 Laureen something at Dow Air Force Base 643 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:21,490 something in Presque Isle Maine but the 644 00:30:26,820 --> 00:30:25,000 the one in Dao Dao Air Force Base used 645 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:26,830 to be an Air Force Base in Bangor Maine 646 00:30:30,270 --> 00:30:28,390 it has since turned into the Bangor 647 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:30,280 International Airport and there is a 648 00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,650 recruiting center on-site in a National 649 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:34,480 Guard that's still on site but otherwise 650 00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:38,230 the military closed it back in 66 68 651 00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:39,940 something like that and sold it back to 652 00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:43,420 the city anyway during the time that it 653 00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:46,360 was operational there was an air 654 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,420 policeman who was responsible for doing 655 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:51,520 rounds at night walking around the base 656 00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:55,810 and one particular night he's kind of 657 00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,140 sitting in a ditch but it's not you know 658 00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:01,360 like this murky mucky type a ditch it's 659 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:03,880 just you know an indented area that his 660 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:07,060 dog could lie in confident ibly and he 661 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:09,370 was just kind of taking a rest so he was 662 00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:11,170 part of a k-9 unit and again had the dog 663 00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:14,440 and all of a sudden the dog broke and it 664 00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:17,380 took off and started barking so he kind 665 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:18,990 of stood up and was like very surprised 666 00:31:24,030 --> 00:31:21,730 so he ran after the dog and yelling at 667 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:24,040 it the whole time and the dog stopped at 668 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:27,010 the bottom of this hill and was looking 669 00:31:31,020 --> 00:31:28,720 up and barking in the direction at the 670 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:31,030 top of the hill so the air policeman 671 00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:32,650 walks up to the dog and it's kind of 672 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:33,700 yelling at it and being like calm down 673 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:35,410 boy did it uh and not really paying 674 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,570 attention to what it was looking at so 675 00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:40,240 finally he looks up the hill and he 676 00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:43,590 claims to have seen a 7 8 foot tall 677 00:31:49,770 --> 00:31:47,590 hairy humanoid bipedal creature standing 678 00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:49,780 at the top of the hill well he called it 679 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:53,340 in MPs came out he wrote a report but 680 00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:56,530 they could never find what it was and 681 00:32:03,060 --> 00:31:59,170 that was just one of many encounters at 682 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:03,070 Dow in my opinion the Dow encounters 683 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:04,690 kind of come off as like a mini 684 00:32:07,889 --> 00:32:06,309 skinwalker ranch 685 00:32:09,959 --> 00:32:07,899 so if your listeners are familiar with 686 00:32:11,249 --> 00:32:09,969 skinwalker ranch yeah that then you'll 687 00:32:13,969 --> 00:32:11,259 know what I mean if not you should look 688 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:13,979 up skinwalker ranch it's good stuff oh 689 00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:15,940 yeah yeah 690 00:32:23,249 --> 00:32:20,169 so other actually UFO sightings you know 691 00:32:27,899 --> 00:32:23,259 a lot of them in that area as well there 692 00:32:31,859 --> 00:32:27,909 is yes haze happen did they try to find 693 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:31,869 any tracks or anything of this he said 694 00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,849 they did a search of the area no tracks 695 00:32:39,209 --> 00:32:35,919 found it was almost like it wasn't even 696 00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,219 there almost maybe which was implied but 697 00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:41,919 not specifically said maybe it was 698 00:32:47,129 --> 00:32:43,960 interdimensional huh 699 00:32:51,089 --> 00:32:47,139 well it kind of got answers as good as 700 00:32:53,070 --> 00:32:51,099 any other if you ask me yeah so what 701 00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:53,080 what is the one that involves the police 702 00:32:59,519 --> 00:32:57,369 officer he was in the Sugarloaf area it 703 00:33:01,649 --> 00:32:59,529 was about two three o'clock in the 704 00:33:05,639 --> 00:33:01,659 morning and he was just doing his rounds 705 00:33:10,109 --> 00:33:05,649 as well state trooper and as he was 706 00:33:13,979 --> 00:33:10,119 driving along on the road he was shocked 707 00:33:16,709 --> 00:33:13,989 to see this really large light on the 708 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:16,719 road in front of him so he screeches to 709 00:33:22,499 --> 00:33:20,320 a stop he's looking at this thing he's 710 00:33:23,999 --> 00:33:22,509 really just kind of blinded by the light 711 00:33:25,739 --> 00:33:24,009 so he's not really seeing a craft at 712 00:33:26,849 --> 00:33:25,749 this point or anything but he's seen 713 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:26,859 this light and it's right on the road 714 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:28,690 and he can clearly tell sorry I just hit 715 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:30,450 the mic he could clearly tell that it's 716 00:33:36,089 --> 00:33:34,210 not a vehicle so he gets out the things 717 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:36,099 probably half of football lengths away 718 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:39,700 from him and it ascends a little bit and 719 00:33:45,749 --> 00:33:43,330 then goes over his car and now it's 720 00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:45,759 about 50 feet hovering above its car and 721 00:33:50,339 --> 00:33:47,440 at this point or from this vantage point 722 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:50,349 you can see like this oval shaped craft 723 00:33:54,869 --> 00:33:52,749 and there's lights going around it and 724 00:33:56,489 --> 00:33:54,879 he's just looking at this thing in awe 725 00:33:58,680 --> 00:33:56,499 you know and he can't get to his radio 726 00:34:00,570 --> 00:33:58,690 at the time but the thing takes off and 727 00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:00,580 he gets in the car and files a report 728 00:34:07,409 --> 00:34:05,080 and it's just left as unknown kind of 729 00:34:10,139 --> 00:34:07,419 reminds me of the the Exeter encounter 730 00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:10,149 in New Hampshire right right I know that 731 00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,480 must be they must think twice before 732 00:34:16,859 --> 00:34:16,000 they actually read a report like that I 733 00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:16,869 wouldn't think so 734 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,780 yeah you know I mean just the ridicule 735 00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:22,240 factor especially a police department 736 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:26,470 you know yeah which a yet you I'm sorry 737 00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:28,450 you get a man with confidence or you 738 00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:30,520 know a police officer with confidence 739 00:34:34,649 --> 00:34:33,159 like no I I know what I saw or that air 740 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:34,659 policeman I know what I saw 741 00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:36,130 he wrote that report about the 742 00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:38,800 eight-foot tall hairy bipedal humanoid 743 00:34:44,270 --> 00:34:41,260 beam this officer wrote about you know 744 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:44,280 it was an unknown aircraft you know and 745 00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:46,900 I'd like it when they're confident in 746 00:34:52,169 --> 00:34:48,640 what they see they're like I know I know 747 00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:52,179 I saw this yeah I'm sure there's a lot 748 00:35:00,240 --> 00:34:56,110 of other you know at least least police 749 00:35:02,220 --> 00:35:00,250 encounters and I'm sure military - now 750 00:35:04,650 --> 00:35:02,230 are there other military cases you can 751 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:04,660 talk about yeah there's some other 752 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:07,770 military cases in the book there's 753 00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:10,510 another one from Laurine Air Force Base 754 00:35:15,630 --> 00:35:13,990 that took place in 64 in my previous 755 00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:15,640 book I wrote about an encounter from 756 00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:19,300 1975 but this this other encounter took 757 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:22,060 place 11 years beforehand and again it 758 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:24,850 was an air policeman doing a patrol and 759 00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:28,450 he was by the the bomber area which were 760 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:31,590 armed it is told with nuclear weapons 761 00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:35,530 and while in this was December and while 762 00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,460 he was walking in that bomber section by 763 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:41,440 the snowbanks behind the bombers he 764 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,150 could see some shadows kind of lurking 765 00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:45,520 about and so he knew that that was 766 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:47,140 people and so he called for them to come 767 00:35:51,930 --> 00:35:49,540 out nothing would happen everything went 768 00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:51,940 silent and he's calling from them to 769 00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:54,160 come out and then all of a sudden they 770 00:35:59,460 --> 00:35:57,070 these beans these two beans appear in 771 00:36:07,100 --> 00:35:59,470 front of them you know like 20 feet away 772 00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:12,060 well looks like Skype froze see what 773 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:18,420 check it into it Morgan 774 00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:21,130 alright I'm gonna see what I can do here 775 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:30,960 it's uh hang on everyone listening live 776 00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:34,390 apologize for this we'll try to call him 777 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:58,770 and what's 778 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:01,640 I appreciate your patience everyone 779 00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:03,580 we'll be right back 780 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:08,590 hopefully I'm not showing his address is 781 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:15,880 not coming up right that's a it's not 782 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:32,740 okay here we go this one was right okay 783 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:36,339 you're back in the air me yeah you froze 784 00:37:40,730 --> 00:37:38,910 yeah sorry for that we always who in 785 00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:40,740 Maine 786 00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:42,540 it looks like a lost internet connection 787 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:46,140 so we can blame spectrum for that I'm 788 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:48,210 not sure where where we were in the what 789 00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:50,490 you last heard was it the they 790 00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:54,260 disappeared after he shot at them I 791 00:38:02,960 --> 00:37:57,569 don't know I was too busy trying to get 792 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:02,970 you back alright so he sees these 793 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:05,430 figures he and he's telling them you 794 00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:06,630 know he's trying to apprehend them 795 00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:07,950 they're not paying attention to him 796 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:09,480 they're not abiding him at all so he 797 00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:10,410 shoots at him 798 00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:14,790 disappear seconds later the base comes 799 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:19,230 alive and other air policemen come to 800 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:22,050 him and surround him and they he's a put 801 00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:25,290 immediately under arrest and somebody 802 00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,619 that is over him told him that he was an 803 00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:31,440 idiot for firing near nuclear weapons 804 00:38:38,329 --> 00:38:34,260 and that he was promptly relieved of 805 00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,339 duty and almost charged with treason for 806 00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:40,140 the way he acted he tried to explain 807 00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:42,510 what happened they didn't care anything 808 00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:46,040 about that and he's relieved of duty so 809 00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:50,400 was he actually I mean you can't set off 810 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:53,460 a nuclear weapon by shooting it I mean 811 00:38:58,270 --> 00:38:55,170 they're it's they're so complicated 812 00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,280 yes so that's kind of a bizarre 813 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:01,020 reasoning for terminating them but I 814 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:04,050 guess firing a weapon a course anywhere 815 00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:06,930 on base is probably a major thing and 816 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:09,750 needs you know in depth you know they 817 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,060 have to review why this this happened I 818 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:13,680 think that's kind of strange thing for 819 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:16,650 them to relieve them yeah that's that's 820 00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:18,690 his story and he's sticking to it yeah 821 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:20,940 and you know he can also understand 822 00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:24,390 unfortunately how crazy it does sound so 823 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:27,240 you know that just maybe what the people 824 00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:30,839 going off but you know like you said he 825 00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:33,390 stuck through that story and and even 826 00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,920 though there were consequences he's just 827 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:37,440 stayed with it yeah and 828 00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,210 one thing I want to point out in my in 829 00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:42,119 my new book which is released by 830 00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:43,950 Llewellyn worldwide publishing just so 831 00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:45,030 you know want to make sure I get their 832 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:48,060 name out there that when I write these 833 00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:51,180 stories I leave it up to the reader to 834 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:53,369 decide what they believe I'm not trying 835 00:39:59,809 --> 00:39:55,650 to you know bias the stories in any way 836 00:40:02,059 --> 00:39:59,819 there's there's only two stories that I 837 00:40:04,460 --> 00:40:02,069 share my opinion on but that is it I 838 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:04,470 welcome I welcome yours but I do share 839 00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:05,910 my opinion on two different stories and 840 00:40:10,849 --> 00:40:08,339 one is the allagash abductions and one 841 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,859 of them is the Herbert Hopkins case from 842 00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:13,020 Old Orchard Beach okay let's wait let's 843 00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,020 go into one of those Herbert Hopkins 844 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:18,660 case I wrote about in my previous book 845 00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:22,170 and I had since since the publishing of 846 00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:24,500 that first book I had befriended a 847 00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:28,950 family friend I'm a part of a member of 848 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:39,920 they they introduced me to somebody who 849 00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:42,569 had passed away and his name was Howard 850 00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:43,500 Hopkins 851 00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:47,640 Howard was Herbert's nephew and Howard 852 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:50,960 spent a lot of time with Herbert and 853 00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:56,490 before Howard died he had a blog he was 854 00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,020 a main writer he wrote a lot of westerns 855 00:41:03,170 --> 00:41:00,900 a lot of sci-fi stuff so he was you know 856 00:41:07,089 --> 00:41:03,180 popular in his own right but he had this 857 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:07,099 blog where he wrote about Herbert's 858 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:10,230 experiences with the men in black so if 859 00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:12,329 we kind of rewind back to Herbert's 860 00:41:18,589 --> 00:41:15,960 story in the 1970s 861 00:41:20,359 --> 00:41:18,599 Herbert claimed that a men and black and 862 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:20,369 visit him at his home in Old Orchard 863 00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:25,050 Beach and told him to stop studying UFOs 864 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:27,390 and especially the David Stephens case 865 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:29,490 that he was actually in the middle of 866 00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:31,410 researching and providing hypnotic 867 00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:33,480 regression therapy for mr. Stevens and 868 00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,200 and going through all that and the men 869 00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:39,720 in black according to Herbert did like a 870 00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,390 paranormal parlor trick if you will and 871 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:44,579 told Herbert that he had a coin in his 872 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,890 pocket and to hold the coin in his hand 873 00:41:51,230 --> 00:41:49,920 and to watch the coin so Herbert watch 874 00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:51,240 the coin it 875 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:53,369 blurry and then disappeared and the men 876 00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:55,890 and black guy said that'll happen to 877 00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:57,510 your heart if you don't stop studying 878 00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:01,920 this so this scared him it has claimed 879 00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:03,990 that he burned all his tapes stopped 880 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:05,820 helping in the David Stevens case and 881 00:42:09,830 --> 00:42:08,280 then a few days later his children were 882 00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:09,840 actually visited by the men in black as 883 00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:11,700 well they had a weird encounter that was 884 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:13,830 actually a bit sexual in nature which is 885 00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:18,810 kind of interesting and odd and Howard 886 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:21,780 Herbert's nephew in this blog talks 887 00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:24,210 about what he really thinks happened he 888 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,670 doesn't believe Herbert Hopkins at all 889 00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,500 he doesn't believe his uncle he loved 890 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:30,720 his uncle he adored his uncle but he 891 00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:33,090 also said that the family had a lot of 892 00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:35,550 tragedy tragedy in it with alcohol abuse 893 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:39,510 with drug abuse and that his uncle 894 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:42,090 Herbert made up the story of the men in 895 00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:44,730 black so he could kind of have his 15 896 00:42:48,859 --> 00:42:47,310 minutes of fame and that went viral for 897 00:42:50,930 --> 00:42:48,869 the time you know it was even included 898 00:42:52,750 --> 00:42:50,940 in the time-life mega the time-life 899 00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:52,760 books you know the time like mysteries 900 00:42:58,190 --> 00:42:56,190 so when it went viral for its time and 901 00:43:00,440 --> 00:42:58,200 Herbert really Howard really wanted to 902 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:00,450 set the record straight so he claimed 903 00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,130 you know that Herbert made it all up and 904 00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:04,880 that the encounter that the children had 905 00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:07,859 wasn't really an encounter at all it was 906 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,400 they were swingers and this unknown 907 00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:13,920 couple came over with an agreeance to 908 00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:18,540 swing together and and that's really all 909 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:21,990 it was and then it ends very oddly 910 00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:25,609 so Herbert's son moves away to Florida 911 00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:30,720 with his wife Maureen and Maureen ends 912 00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:34,710 up killing Herbert son we don't know if 913 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,940 it's a drug-fueled stupor or what 914 00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:41,040 happened but he ended up getting shot in 915 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:44,540 cold blood and this was boy this was 916 00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:47,850 2005 maybe something like that anyway so 917 00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:51,180 it had this really tragic ending and I 918 00:43:55,070 --> 00:43:52,859 know it can be confusing between the 919 00:43:57,050 --> 00:43:55,080 Howard and and Herbert but I do lay it 920 00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:57,060 out pretty succinctly in the book so 921 00:44:02,490 --> 00:43:58,800 check it out and in my personal opinion 922 00:44:05,290 --> 00:44:02,500 I believe Howard not Herbert 923 00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,300 okay now I forget which one is Howard 924 00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:07,520 and which was Herbert Herbert was the 925 00:44:11,620 --> 00:44:09,140 uncle who met the men in black yeah 926 00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,630 weird is the nephew and you believe you 927 00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:14,240 believe Howard yes believe Howard on 928 00:44:20,110 --> 00:44:17,180 that one so what just what was the David 929 00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:20,120 Stephens case the David Stephens case 930 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:23,540 was a supposed abduction that happened 931 00:44:29,290 --> 00:44:26,330 right around that same time frame 1975 932 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:29,300 and this was in Norway Maine and David 933 00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:32,110 and a friend believe his name was Glen 934 00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:35,750 heard this loud boom outside I saw they 935 00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:37,400 went to investigate and they saw this 936 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:39,590 UFO and so they wanted to chase it they 937 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:42,650 get in their car and David Stephens 938 00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:44,450 claims that the car kind of took control 939 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:46,910 of its own and went down to this Lake 940 00:44:52,780 --> 00:44:50,450 and while it was parked at the lake this 941 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:52,790 fog or mist kind of started rolling up 942 00:44:59,100 --> 00:44:55,690 over the water and golf their car and 943 00:45:03,940 --> 00:44:59,110 they were taken aboard this craft 944 00:45:06,070 --> 00:45:03,950 through hypnotic regression that Herbert 945 00:45:12,090 --> 00:45:06,080 Hopkins was doing that was introduced by 946 00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,100 UFO investigator Shirley wicked David 947 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,240 described what the beans look like they 948 00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,640 took you know hair blood nails 949 00:45:22,570 --> 00:45:19,280 fingernail samples things like that so 950 00:45:25,450 --> 00:45:22,580 kind of your classic abduction case on 951 00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:25,460 what he experienced and Brent Raines was 952 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:27,980 down there and he interviewed them dr. 953 00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,330 Schwarz he was down there and actually 954 00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:31,040 interviewed them he wrote about the case 955 00:45:39,010 --> 00:45:36,200 in his book UFO dynamics and another 956 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:39,020 author Robert Cahill he actually pointed 957 00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:41,650 out that a week before David Stephens 958 00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:45,800 abduction the UFO incident premiered on 959 00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:49,460 television which was the movie version 960 00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:51,500 of the Betty and Barney Hill story and 961 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:53,390 so it's just a week prior so in Robert 962 00:45:58,900 --> 00:45:55,730 Cahill's opinion the story was probably 963 00:46:01,690 --> 00:45:58,910 made up and dr. Schwarz and and Raines 964 00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,700 and Fickett and Hopkins they believed 965 00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:03,680 David Stephens story and I think 966 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:05,060 Stephens story is actually very 967 00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:07,370 compelling I'm not of the opinion with 968 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:07,940 Cahill 969 00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:09,050 I don't really write about that in the 970 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:11,150 book my opinion there but but that's 971 00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:12,530 pretty much the Stephens case in a 972 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:15,340 nutshell and 973 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:17,530 had they ever come up to any type of 974 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:21,130 conclusion they or is it just also like 975 00:46:25,980 --> 00:46:23,530 an unknown encounter type of thing yeah 976 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:25,990 it always ends as an unknown but there 977 00:46:30,540 --> 00:46:29,230 were some very odd other experiences 978 00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,550 that happened kind of leader in 979 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,560 paranormal experiences that happened 980 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:35,200 after the abduction they said that they 981 00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,330 went back to the to the lake the area 982 00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:39,040 that they were abducted in and there was 983 00:46:43,170 --> 00:46:40,990 a weird ash that was falling kind of 984 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:43,180 like snow but it wasn't snow it wasn't 985 00:46:50,090 --> 00:46:46,150 that time of year and in David Stevens 986 00:46:53,610 --> 00:46:50,100 house he said that these black squares 987 00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:53,620 would be coming in and out of the walls 988 00:47:00,360 --> 00:46:57,520 and ceilings which is very very odd and 989 00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:00,370 then he also said that the he heard from 990 00:47:07,470 --> 00:47:03,940 the TV the term UFO like he just heard 991 00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:07,480 UFO and the TV was turned off and it 992 00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:09,550 also some some odd things like that yeah 993 00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:10,990 I know yeah bizarre 994 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:12,580 okay so we're coming up on the break 995 00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:15,160 right now oh you're listening to podcast 996 00:47:20,310 --> 00:47:18,280 UFO on kgr a radio my guest is Nomar 997 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:20,320 Slovak and we'll be right back right 998 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:29,250 right on time Martin good job we've got 999 00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:30,970 three and a half minutes in this break 1000 00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,740 okay three and a half minutes thank you 1001 00:47:38,850 --> 00:47:33,760 all right 1002 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:38,860 Nomar so while we're on this break why 1003 00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:42,730 don't we talk about one of the stories 1004 00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:45,550 in your your last your last book UFOs 1005 00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:47,740 over main for the people that didn't get 1006 00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:50,080 a chance to actually hear that show is 1007 00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:51,640 there something you can quickly bring up 1008 00:47:59,040 --> 00:47:56,230 that you can recall yeah there's a great 1009 00:48:01,380 --> 00:47:59,050 case called shots fired well I called it 1010 00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:01,390 that's three and a half minutes just to 1011 00:48:06,030 --> 00:48:04,360 let you know yep and it was a case of 1012 00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:06,040 John King it actually took place in 1013 00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:08,380 Bangor Maine it took place on Mount Hope 1014 00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:09,940 Avenue which is actually just around the 1015 00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:11,710 corner from where I used to live which 1016 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:13,270 is kind of interesting I didn't know it 1017 00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:14,530 at the time but you know I've since 1018 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:16,140 found out and have gone to the area 1019 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:20,290 anyway John King thought he saw an 1020 00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:23,410 overturned car in a marshy area so he 1021 00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:25,750 pulled over and started walking into the 1022 00:48:28,590 --> 00:48:27,100 marshy area but he was trying to avoid 1023 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:28,600 the water so he's kind of hopping around 1024 00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:29,170 wrong 1025 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:31,240 and this more solid ground and as he 1026 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,250 gets closer he sees that it's not an 1027 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:35,440 overturned car whatsoever that in fact 1028 00:48:42,180 --> 00:48:37,990 it's like this oval shaped craft of some 1029 00:48:45,299 --> 00:48:42,190 sort and once John observes that it 1030 00:48:47,009 --> 00:48:45,309 seems like the craft decided to interact 1031 00:48:49,319 --> 00:48:47,019 with him and it started rocking back and 1032 00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:49,329 forth and then started going right up 1033 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:51,910 great towards him so he panics runs back 1034 00:48:58,349 --> 00:48:54,670 to the car and inside his car he had a 1035 00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,359 22 pistol so in the melee of trying to 1036 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:00,640 get the pistol the gun went off and he 1037 00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,170 thought for sure that might scare 1038 00:49:07,289 --> 00:49:04,720 whatever this thing is off it didn't so 1039 00:49:09,089 --> 00:49:07,299 it was still coming at him and so he 1040 00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:09,099 kind of steadied himself and took aim 1041 00:49:15,180 --> 00:49:13,180 and hit the UFO he heard it ping off and 1042 00:49:17,490 --> 00:49:15,190 rate when that happened it instantly 1043 00:49:19,859 --> 00:49:17,500 ascended he called the cops the cops 1044 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:19,869 came down and checked it out and they 1045 00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:22,569 saw some scorched vegetation in the 1046 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:24,609 marshy area but other than that they 1047 00:49:29,940 --> 00:49:26,410 didn't have really any other leads to go 1048 00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:29,950 on so it was ultimately dropped from a 1049 00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:32,230 police investigation but he did report 1050 00:49:39,749 --> 00:49:38,470 it Wow and so while we still we still 1051 00:49:43,470 --> 00:49:39,759 have about a minute I don't know if 1052 00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:43,480 there's any other quick well 30 days 1053 00:49:48,329 --> 00:49:45,640 later exactly 30 days later a very 1054 00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,339 similar UFO was seen in Bingham Maine by 1055 00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:50,079 a little girl named Kanto birthing in 1056 00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:55,720 this cool and this oval craft landed 1057 00:49:59,249 --> 00:49:57,849 softly in a field and she was there 1058 00:50:00,690 --> 00:49:59,259 playing with some cousins the cousins 1059 00:50:03,089 --> 00:50:00,700 had left to go grab some more toys so 1060 00:50:04,529 --> 00:50:03,099 she was by herself and she said that she 1061 00:50:07,259 --> 00:50:04,539 could see through the craft and that 1062 00:50:09,450 --> 00:50:07,269 there was a man or an alien she didn't 1063 00:50:12,539 --> 00:50:09,460 quite know how to describe it but was 1064 00:50:15,450 --> 00:50:12,549 wearing a helmet and it smiled at her 1065 00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:15,460 so this freaked her out and she ran back 1066 00:50:19,410 --> 00:50:17,529 home told her mom the paper followed up 1067 00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:19,420 and did a report the police went and 1068 00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:21,460 checked the area and also saw some 1069 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:23,500 scorched vegetation so I'm wondering if 1070 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:25,390 it was the same the same craft you know 1071 00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:28,660 how about that scorched vegetation you 1072 00:50:32,099 --> 00:50:29,980 know that the only thing I could think 1073 00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:32,109 of hearing that I know that's happened 1074 00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:34,750 there was a case where the ground was 1075 00:50:38,460 --> 00:50:36,400 that's probably been a number of them 1076 00:50:41,759 --> 00:50:38,470 the ground was scorched but also the 1077 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:41,769 Socorro case there was the the trees out 1078 00:50:44,299 --> 00:50:42,390 there 1079 00:50:46,819 --> 00:50:44,309 that were earned the bushes the brush 1080 00:50:49,579 --> 00:50:46,829 yeah so yeah that's always interesting I 1081 00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:49,589 that's as close as you can get to you 1082 00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:51,569 know any type of trace evidence yeah 1083 00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,190 that's like some legit have it ready to 1084 00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:54,960 go back Martin alright just give it a 1085 00:50:58,009 --> 00:50:55,500 countdown 1086 00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:58,019 all right give me about 15 seconds here 1087 00:51:02,269 --> 00:50:58,910 all right 1088 00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:02,279 so we'll we'll talk up Nomar we'll go 1089 00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:05,460 into some stories some other stories 1090 00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,529 what you think is the most fascinating I 1091 00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:09,420 will talk about that if that's okay 1092 00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:13,400 the mas Mantuan is pretty crazy alright 1093 00:51:23,870 --> 00:51:18,559 alright here we go in five four three 1094 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:23,880 two welcome back to podcast UFO on kgr a 1095 00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:29,010 radio kgr radio kgr a radio calm I guess 1096 00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,049 there's no Morris Levesque we were 1097 00:51:36,019 --> 00:51:33,420 talking about his new book otherworldly 1098 00:51:38,359 --> 00:51:36,029 encounters evidence of UFO sightings and 1099 00:51:44,269 --> 00:51:38,369 abductions and this is in the Northeast 1100 00:51:45,529 --> 00:51:44,279 so this has been really interesting to 1101 00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:45,539 me of course you know because I live 1102 00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:45,900 here 1103 00:51:50,660 --> 00:51:48,990 but and also you know the Bridgewater 1104 00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:50,670 triangle I don't know if you looked into 1105 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:53,369 that at all but I've watched I've 1106 00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:57,210 watched the documentary yeah yeah so 1107 00:52:02,269 --> 00:52:01,079 what in writing this book I have to ask 1108 00:52:05,180 --> 00:52:02,279 you what was your favorite or most 1109 00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:05,190 interesting story that you can you can 1110 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:09,000 tell us are a number there's a number of 1111 00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,089 them but I'm a big fan like of course I 1112 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:14,160 love UFOs and extraterrestrial it's kind 1113 00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:15,569 of my bread-and-butter what I love the 1114 00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,329 most in my opinion it's kind of like the 1115 00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:20,339 the last frontier of the paranormal like 1116 00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:22,609 it's still so much is unknown about it 1117 00:52:29,299 --> 00:52:25,230 but regardless of that or with that said 1118 00:52:30,769 --> 00:52:29,309 there are some other types of paranormal 1119 00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:30,779 that I'm very much interested in and 1120 00:52:36,769 --> 00:52:33,059 some of them are the black-eyed children 1121 00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:36,779 those terrify me Dogman encounters those 1122 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:40,079 are really quite weird and I've actually 1123 00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:41,490 got a pretty good dog man story that 1124 00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:44,670 we'll get into later but I absolutely 1125 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:48,150 love the Mothman story okay and of 1126 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:50,569 course we're talking about 25 feet wide 1127 00:52:55,580 --> 00:52:52,410 yeah 1128 00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:55,590 so the the original Mothman story took 1129 00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:57,570 place back in 1966 in Point Pleasant 1130 00:53:01,850 --> 00:52:59,310 West Virginia there was a book written 1131 00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:01,860 about it since then there's been a ton 1132 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:02,940 of books written about it there was a 1133 00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,290 movie and some really great 1134 00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:06,240 documentaries small-town monsters made a 1135 00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:07,830 great one called the Mothman of Point 1136 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:09,300 Pleasant should check that out if you 1137 00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:14,010 can small town monsters calm but there 1138 00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,420 was what this witness described as a 1139 00:53:25,090 --> 00:53:21,300 Mothman encounter of his own in Camden 1140 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:25,100 Maine in October of 2001 which is almost 1141 00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,650 35 years to the month from the original 1142 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:30,300 Mothman encounters back in Point 1143 00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:32,850 Pleasant so just a little synchronicity 1144 00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:35,700 info there but this gentleman at the 1145 00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:39,480 time was 17 and he was walking home on 1146 00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:41,580 Washington Street if you've ever been to 1147 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:42,660 Camden Maine yeah 1148 00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:45,330 Washington Street is right smack dab in 1149 00:53:48,860 --> 00:53:46,980 the middle of Camden it's actually right 1150 00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,870 next to the police station and the 1151 00:53:54,830 --> 00:53:51,000 Camden the big Camden hotel I forget the 1152 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:54,840 name of it now and he lived just about 1153 00:53:59,570 --> 00:53:57,090 less than a mile up Washington Street 1154 00:54:01,370 --> 00:53:59,580 walking away from town so he's walking 1155 00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:01,380 home it's early evening so we're talking 1156 00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:04,110 6-7 p.m. it's in the summer so it's not 1157 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:06,960 even that dark out yet and he starts 1158 00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:09,930 hearing like this this chirping type a 1159 00:54:14,540 --> 00:54:11,700 sound he could only describe it as 1160 00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,550 really like a loud mouse if you will so 1161 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:16,800 he's looking down trying not to step on 1162 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:19,050 what is probably a large mouth you know 1163 00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:21,690 and as he's looking down he sees this 1164 00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:25,860 large shadow go past him well the only 1165 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:27,090 way that shadow could have been there 1166 00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:29,850 was if it was above him so he looks up 1167 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:33,510 and he sees the a very very odd-looking 1168 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:37,410 creature he described it as the body 1169 00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:39,330 length was about four four and a half 1170 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:42,270 feet and it was kind of grayish in color 1171 00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:48,090 and its head was made of tubes there was 1172 00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:49,620 like a tube sticking out and then tubes 1173 00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:52,620 on the side maybe think of the pass 1174 00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:54,780 Kaluga incident or however pronounced 1175 00:55:01,520 --> 00:54:57,810 that I know what the cones coming out so 1176 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:01,530 kinda like that but he saw that it had 1177 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:04,170 enormous wings so he's frozen to the 1178 00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:06,510 spot watching this thing fly 1179 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:11,400 and it flies up over his house where he 1180 00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:14,370 lived at the time so in in doing that 1181 00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:16,260 flight pattern he was able to measure 1182 00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:19,140 the length of the wind and it said it 1183 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:20,700 went from one end of the eaves to the 1184 00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,770 other end of the ease of the apartment 1185 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:24,000 that he was living in at the time of the 1186 00:55:28,610 --> 00:55:26,610 spokes and so they measured that a few 1187 00:55:30,260 --> 00:55:28,620 days later and found out it was 25 feet 1188 00:55:33,170 --> 00:55:30,270 long so he couldn't believe he saw 1189 00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:33,180 something with a 25 foot wingspan and it 1190 00:55:39,110 --> 00:55:36,240 flew up over the apartment and swooped 1191 00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,120 down to a marshy area behind the 1192 00:55:44,810 --> 00:55:41,220 apartment somewhere he didn't really 1193 00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:44,820 know where so he told friends and family 1194 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:47,460 and people about this and he really 1195 00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:49,770 wasn't scoffed at but they're like you 1196 00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:51,750 know it was probably a a large bird 1197 00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:53,640 maybe a turkey vulture maybe a Sandy 1198 00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:55,620 Hill crane you know something like that 1199 00:56:02,660 --> 00:55:57,570 he knew it was nothing like that and 1200 00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:02,670 then the dreams started which is kind of 1201 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:03,750 interesting because there's like some 1202 00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:05,370 concurrent themes here with the Mothman 1203 00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,990 a point pleasant and what's happening to 1204 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:08,880 this guy where he starts having these 1205 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:11,970 UFO encounters and he sinks their dreams 1206 00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:13,890 but when he really stops and thinks 1207 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:15,750 about it he's thinking that they're 1208 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:18,210 actually memories like he just kind of 1209 00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,610 knows it you know like when you think 1210 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:22,200 about a memory it's just something you 1211 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:24,690 know you know it's hard to explain but 1212 00:56:28,250 --> 00:56:26,250 if a dream you're like we're calling a 1213 00:56:30,110 --> 00:56:28,260 dream and trying to explain it the best 1214 00:56:32,810 --> 00:56:30,120 way you can but this really felt like a 1215 00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:32,820 memory in the stream which he had time 1216 00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:34,500 and time and time again after the 1217 00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:36,900 incident he's standing that that exact 1218 00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:38,700 same spot where the thing flew over him 1219 00:56:45,350 --> 00:56:41,750 and he looks up and he sees this large 1220 00:56:49,310 --> 00:56:45,360 craft silently and without lights 1221 00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:49,320 hovering above him when he notices it it 1222 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:53,040 kind of roars to life very loud very big 1223 00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,170 and then takes off and he kept having 1224 00:57:04,280 --> 00:56:57,680 this dream a reoccurring dream 1225 00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:04,290 so fast-forward a couple of years now he 1226 00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:05,910 kind of wrote it I he like he knew he 1227 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:07,190 saw something that was weird 1228 00:57:10,460 --> 00:57:09,210 friends and family didn't really believe 1229 00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,470 him or thought he misidentified 1230 00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:12,240 something but a couple years later he's 1231 00:57:15,980 --> 00:57:13,950 in college now and came home for the 1232 00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:15,990 summer to visit or to work you know and 1233 00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,630 on one of his off days he's riding 1234 00:57:24,479 --> 00:57:20,079 around with a buddy 1235 00:57:28,589 --> 00:57:24,489 and as they're riding around this thing 1236 00:57:32,189 --> 00:57:28,599 splats against their window freaks them 1237 00:57:34,009 --> 00:57:32,199 right out and the witness is looking 1238 00:57:37,799 --> 00:57:34,019 right at it and it's this weird 1239 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:37,809 transparent grayish flesh and it's got a 1240 00:57:43,169 --> 00:57:40,329 really large wingspan maybe four feet 1241 00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:43,179 maybe six feet something like that and 1242 00:57:50,969 --> 00:57:47,049 in his mind he's thinking is it is it a 1243 00:57:54,749 --> 00:57:50,979 offspring of the thing he saw two years 1244 00:57:57,179 --> 00:57:54,759 earlier so they roll to a stop and they 1245 00:58:01,499 --> 00:57:57,189 both assume this thing is dead just as 1246 00:58:04,429 --> 00:58:01,509 the car stops it flutters takes off and 1247 00:58:07,669 --> 00:58:04,439 flies towards the marshy area again 1248 00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:07,679 where he witnessed it the the first time 1249 00:58:12,779 --> 00:58:10,140 with the cowlings 1250 00:58:14,729 --> 00:58:12,789 like no that one was the daytime that 1251 00:58:17,759 --> 00:58:14,739 was a daytime so he actually was during 1252 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:17,769 the day he must have been able to get a 1253 00:58:23,609 --> 00:58:20,410 much better look at it oh yeah yeah and 1254 00:58:26,189 --> 00:58:23,619 however the way it was splatted against 1255 00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:26,199 the window he described it as like messy 1256 00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:28,209 paper mache like that's all he could 1257 00:58:32,999 --> 00:58:30,249 make out and like these weird 1258 00:58:35,099 --> 00:58:33,009 translucent type bat wings he actually 1259 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:35,109 drew it and there is a copy of it do you 1260 00:58:37,049 --> 00:58:36,130 have the book in front of you mark I do 1261 00:58:41,549 --> 00:58:37,059 yes mm-hmm 1262 00:58:44,459 --> 00:58:41,559 page 101 okay so and he what he thinks 1263 00:58:48,929 --> 00:58:44,469 it looks like now you just you just 1264 00:58:50,999 --> 00:58:48,939 mentioned the pascagoula yeah so I just 1265 00:58:54,359 --> 00:58:51,009 wanted to oh yes here it is here I'm 1266 00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:54,369 gonna put it up let's see put up so 1267 00:58:59,519 --> 00:58:56,910 anyone can see that on on YouTube itself 1268 00:59:04,410 --> 00:58:59,529 and I'll do it on my end too just in 1269 00:59:10,169 --> 00:59:04,420 case I'm not good at aiming this so um 1270 00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:10,179 there it is so Calvin Parker was one of 1271 00:59:16,259 --> 00:59:12,910 the two that was himself in Charles 1272 00:59:19,349 --> 00:59:16,269 Hickson at that Pascagoula case very 1273 00:59:21,269 --> 00:59:19,359 interesting case back in 1973 Calibur 1274 00:59:24,029 --> 00:59:21,279 leaves a gentleman he's been on this 1275 00:59:27,959 --> 00:59:24,039 show before I heard he was starting a 1276 00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,969 book it's done and out yeah I got him 1277 00:59:33,569 --> 00:59:30,640 connected with a Philip mantel over in 1278 00:59:33,780 --> 00:59:33,579 English and so that books coming out so 1279 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:33,790 I just 1280 00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:36,010 wanted to announce that Calvin Parker 1281 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:38,560 will be on the show again to talk about 1282 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:41,170 the book and he was such a great guest 1283 00:59:45,450 --> 00:59:42,490 I'm really looking forward to having 1284 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:45,460 back he's gonna be on an August 7th 1285 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:48,970 so he'll show again great guy I just 1286 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:50,290 want to make sure that date is right 1287 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:53,650 yeah that is August 7th is a Tuesday so 1288 00:59:58,590 --> 00:59:56,410 he'll be on the show then so that's 1289 01:00:03,410 --> 00:59:58,600 that's interesting I really like the 1290 01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:03,420 oddball stories things that you know I 1291 01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:05,650 can't remember who I had as a guest in 1292 01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:07,630 the show but that was something they 1293 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:10,710 mentioned the otter they are like 1294 01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:14,050 someone said something about the teddy 1295 01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:18,360 bear on the porch with a plaid material 1296 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:20,950 that sounds awful odd during UFO 1297 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:22,450 encounter but I want to know more about 1298 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:24,610 that you know the really odd weird 1299 01:00:29,130 --> 01:00:26,650 strange things that don't make any sense 1300 01:00:32,850 --> 01:00:29,140 sometimes they're just really 1301 01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,860 interesting there's I have some stories 1302 01:00:38,010 --> 01:00:34,960 about this woman who experienced missing 1303 01:00:42,570 --> 01:00:38,020 time and the first time was I thought 1304 01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:42,580 yeah and the first time was with her 1305 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:44,950 whole family during a UFO sighting and 1306 01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:46,570 then the second time she doesn't even 1307 01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:48,130 remember seeing anything odd it was 1308 01:00:54,060 --> 01:00:50,230 during the day and and she had missed 1309 01:00:58,020 --> 01:00:54,070 like three hours very crazy three hours 1310 01:01:00,600 --> 01:00:58,030 boy yeah yeah those missing time cases 1311 01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:00,610 are really interesting to me too so we 1312 01:01:05,370 --> 01:01:02,920 are taking calls just to let the 1313 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:05,380 listener know you can call in the number 1314 01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:08,530 on YouTube will be up on your screen 1315 01:01:15,570 --> 01:01:12,390 also and I hesitate to say that call 1316 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:15,580 over the air and the reason is is I get 1317 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:17,710 tons of calls like when this show is 1318 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,530 playing on different shows including 1319 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:22,240 it's always on the Dark Matter digital 1320 01:01:26,580 --> 01:01:24,250 network the full shows and just 1321 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:26,590 ridiculous to know that time has changed 1322 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:29,770 it's now I believe at 7 p.m. Eastern 1323 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:33,400 Standard Time instead of 9 or 10 where 1324 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:37,930 it used to be anyway so that number is 1325 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:39,370 up on the screen it's also in the chat 1326 01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,170 over at kgr a chat over there and I'm 1327 01:01:47,050 --> 01:01:46,000 sure we have some I'm going to try to 1328 01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,060 pay attention to some of 1329 01:01:51,430 --> 01:01:49,280 the questions that we have but anyone 1330 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:51,440 can call in again that numbers up on the 1331 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:52,850 screen if you'd like to call in and ask 1332 01:01:59,170 --> 01:01:56,210 our guest a question also if you happen 1333 01:02:01,900 --> 01:01:59,180 to be listening from Maine or the 1334 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:01,910 Northeast and you have a story that 1335 01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:04,370 you'd like to call in and talk about it 1336 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:06,740 doesn't have to be UFO we'd prefer that 1337 01:02:10,810 --> 01:02:08,690 but if it's another kind of strange 1338 01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:10,820 happening you're also welcome to call in 1339 01:02:16,330 --> 01:02:14,240 and tell us about it I found that when 1340 01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:16,340 you and I have talked in between your 1341 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:19,040 books you've always been interested in 1342 01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:22,970 the stories that that I have that I tell 1343 01:02:30,580 --> 01:02:27,710 you but as far as I'm sure you know this 1344 01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:30,590 is a hesitancy for people to report in 1345 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:34,670 general you know and so before we go 1346 01:02:40,270 --> 01:02:37,250 into this other other stories some other 1347 01:02:43,630 --> 01:02:40,280 stories how do you generally break the 1348 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:43,640 ice with say a lobstermen or someone 1349 01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:45,170 like that oh we have someone calling in 1350 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:48,560 hold that thought okay we're gonna think 1351 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:52,370 lobstermen all right so caller welcome 1352 01:02:58,810 --> 01:02:54,410 to the show and your first name and 1353 01:03:00,370 --> 01:02:58,820 where you're calling from please hey 1354 01:03:03,130 --> 01:03:00,380 Martin this is Ron I'm from South 1355 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:03,140 Carolina hey Ryan how are you hey how 1356 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:04,310 you doing good good 1357 01:03:09,940 --> 01:03:06,410 thanks for calling owner you got it you 1358 01:03:11,860 --> 01:03:09,950 got a question for our guest yes I do 1359 01:03:12,460 --> 01:03:11,870 hope I didn't call it a bad time no not 1360 01:03:15,070 --> 01:03:12,470 at all 1361 01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:15,080 well what's going on right hey what's 1362 01:03:22,330 --> 01:03:19,310 going on hey I had a question for your 1363 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:22,340 guest yes he's uh he's documented so 1364 01:03:29,710 --> 01:03:25,370 many of these encounters I wonder if he 1365 01:03:32,770 --> 01:03:29,720 had a had a theory about how these how 1366 01:03:35,590 --> 01:03:32,780 the aliens can handle our environment 1367 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:35,600 and how we can handle theirs in terms of 1368 01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:37,130 physical environment because to me 1369 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:40,640 that's always been one of the really 1370 01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,170 difficult things to me to get past 1371 01:03:49,590 --> 01:03:46,400 because you think about it I mean for 1372 01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:49,600 example and the Apollo moon landings you 1373 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:51,920 you know astronauts were having to wear 1374 01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:54,410 suits because you know obviously the 1375 01:03:58,510 --> 01:03:56,720 atmospheric pressure is different there 1376 01:04:00,340 --> 01:03:58,520 the environments different the 1377 01:04:01,190 --> 01:04:00,350 temperature is different and it's just 1378 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:01,200 always amazing 1379 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:03,450 how so many of these stories the aliens 1380 01:04:07,610 --> 01:04:05,970 are are taking our environment and we're 1381 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:07,620 taking we're able to go aboard their 1382 01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:09,450 ships and take theirs I just wondered if 1383 01:04:14,750 --> 01:04:12,330 he had a theory there well alright I do 1384 01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:14,760 have a couple of thoughts on it and one 1385 01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:16,740 of them is a bit more mundane than the 1386 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:20,910 other but and in my opinion I really 1387 01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:23,610 think and this is like you gotta be 1388 01:04:27,260 --> 01:04:24,870 open-minded cuz you were saying you have 1389 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:27,270 a hard time getting past it to be so 1390 01:04:32,060 --> 01:04:30,930 open-minded is to think that if this is 1391 01:04:34,850 --> 01:04:32,070 real hey do you believe in 1392 01:04:36,980 --> 01:04:34,860 extraterrestrials to begin with and B if 1393 01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:36,990 you do believe in extraterrestrials then 1394 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:39,540 how much more technologically advanced 1395 01:04:45,050 --> 01:04:42,650 could they be from us and in my opinion 1396 01:04:46,850 --> 01:04:45,060 are they wearing suits the way we 1397 01:04:50,450 --> 01:04:46,860 perceive them right now are we 1398 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:50,460 perceiving them as how they are or are 1399 01:04:54,050 --> 01:04:52,290 we perceiving them the way they want us 1400 01:04:55,370 --> 01:04:54,060 to see them the point being is that they 1401 01:04:58,430 --> 01:04:55,380 could be wearing suits they could be 1402 01:05:00,260 --> 01:04:58,440 wearing breathers they could have a 1403 01:05:02,810 --> 01:05:00,270 technology where there's just this 1404 01:05:06,170 --> 01:05:02,820 invisible force field of some sort is 1405 01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,180 around them but really that's it be open 1406 01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:08,400 minded and they're probably more 1407 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:10,350 technologically advanced than us but in 1408 01:05:14,540 --> 01:05:12,330 regards to like a solid theory 1409 01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,550 absolutely not I just have no idea 1410 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:16,680 what's going on and the more I talk to 1411 01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:19,050 people and get these stories the more 1412 01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:21,780 confused I am it doesn't lead to more 1413 01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:23,880 answers it leads to more questions I 1414 01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,800 just try min I'd like to chime in on 1415 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:28,020 that a little bit yeah I always think 1416 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:31,050 have been about when the Spaniards you 1417 01:05:36,290 --> 01:05:33,930 know landed in and you know the Mexican 1418 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:36,300 Peninsula and then their European 1419 01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,530 diseases wiped out entire indigenous 1420 01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,200 people and especially in the in the 1421 01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:45,660 missions when they were trapped them and 1422 01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:50,510 these missions and try to you know 1423 01:05:55,610 --> 01:05:53,160 change their ways that even change their 1424 01:05:57,380 --> 01:05:55,620 to Christian names and all that so they 1425 01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:57,390 just wiped them out so I always think of 1426 01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,420 that you know like if you were to go on 1427 01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:02,640 another planet where you could actually 1428 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:05,640 breathe the air you're just so 1429 01:06:09,380 --> 01:06:07,410 vulnerable to any type of unknown 1430 01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:09,390 disease that could be lurking there and 1431 01:06:14,090 --> 01:06:12,330 that's how I feel also if they can 1432 01:06:14,540 --> 01:06:14,100 actually breathe our air here wouldn't 1433 01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:14,550 that be a 1434 01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:17,040 major concern or do they actually get 1435 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:19,470 you know shots before they come here 1436 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:23,090 I honestly think they're they're 1437 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:25,530 technically advanced enough to immune 1438 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:31,770 yin unionize themselves yeah you know 1439 01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,890 it's probably that you know but there's 1440 01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:36,960 a few little hoops you got to jump 1441 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:38,790 through first to get there and that's a 1442 01:06:41,870 --> 01:06:40,650 or UFO's real be if so are the 1443 01:06:43,550 --> 01:06:41,880 extraterrestrial they are 1444 01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:43,560 extraterrestrial how are they physically 1445 01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,540 like getting here if they're physically 1446 01:06:49,550 --> 01:06:47,520 getting here then you start asking 1447 01:06:51,260 --> 01:06:49,560 questions about the environment and what 1448 01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:51,270 Ryan was asking you know so there's a 1449 01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:53,280 few hoops to get there if you follow me 1450 01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:55,980 and if you're already starting at that 1451 01:06:59,540 --> 01:06:57,930 place where you believe and all that 1452 01:07:01,880 --> 01:06:59,550 good stuff and they are coming here 1453 01:07:04,340 --> 01:07:01,890 physically then there's probably some 1454 01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:04,350 sort of technological advancement that 1455 01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:06,000 they have that we don't that allows them 1456 01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:08,580 to be in our environment right Ryan you 1457 01:07:14,060 --> 01:07:11,580 got anything else well yeah I mean just 1458 01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,070 to follow up I mean I you know I believe 1459 01:07:20,030 --> 01:07:17,520 that there's likely intelligent life 1460 01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:20,040 elsewhere I mean you know to me the idea 1461 01:07:24,380 --> 01:07:21,660 I mean in this galaxy alone there are 1462 01:07:26,030 --> 01:07:24,390 billions of stars I mean the idea that 1463 01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:26,040 were the only ones I mean it to me 1464 01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:28,140 that's just preposterous now whether or 1465 01:07:32,570 --> 01:07:30,570 not now whether or not that's come here 1466 01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:32,580 I mean you know I don't know about that 1467 01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:34,920 and that's some of these stories that's 1468 01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:36,630 one of the things always bothered me but 1469 01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:39,180 you know if you think in terms of maybe 1470 01:07:44,030 --> 01:07:41,940 they're wearing some sort of some kind 1471 01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:44,040 of electric or magnetic field that is 1472 01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:45,480 that gives them a self-contained 1473 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:48,990 atmosphere and that's their suit I mean 1474 01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:51,570 yeah okay that makes sense to me but 1475 01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,180 then then you still run into the problem 1476 01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:56,640 I mean for example they're stories of 1477 01:08:02,180 --> 01:08:00,960 them grabbing abductees in and leading 1478 01:08:03,590 --> 01:08:02,190 them somewhere and all that kind of 1479 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:03,600 stuff and you know none of these people 1480 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:05,370 to my knowledge have ever reported that 1481 01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:08,930 you know feeling some sort of shock or 1482 01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:12,480 something when I make them one thing I'd 1483 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:15,900 like to inject here Ryan is a the number 1484 01:08:23,420 --> 01:08:19,530 of times I have spoken with Travis Walt 1485 01:08:27,260 --> 01:08:23,430 he has told me that when he woke up on 1486 01:08:28,660 --> 01:08:27,270 that table in the craft that he had a 1487 01:08:31,689 --> 01:08:28,670 very very hard 1488 01:08:33,130 --> 01:08:31,699 I'm breathing the air in that's the only 1489 01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:33,140 time I've heard anyone ever talk about 1490 01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:35,210 anything like that but he said he had to 1491 01:08:41,579 --> 01:08:37,370 really force the air in and out of him 1492 01:08:44,050 --> 01:08:41,589 to breathe which which is really curious 1493 01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,060 just another that but that's really the 1494 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:46,400 only one that I've ever heard of any any 1495 01:08:51,789 --> 01:08:48,290 type of incident no there was something 1496 01:08:54,820 --> 01:08:51,799 different right but it also I mean gets 1497 01:08:56,169 --> 01:08:54,830 into gravity I mean I don't know if 1498 01:08:58,930 --> 01:08:56,179 Travis they were described you know 1499 01:09:00,640 --> 01:08:58,940 feeling any any different in terms of 1500 01:09:02,650 --> 01:09:00,650 gravity being aboard their ship versus 1501 01:09:05,169 --> 01:09:02,660 ours and I'm gonna ask them that in a 1502 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:05,179 couple of weeks when I see them yeah cuz 1503 01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,890 that yeah that's another thing that kind 1504 01:09:09,999 --> 01:09:08,239 of throws me for a loop because a lot of 1505 01:09:12,669 --> 01:09:10,009 times these descriptions of these aliens 1506 01:09:15,099 --> 01:09:12,679 I mean you know they're kind of smaller 1507 01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:15,109 more fragile than we are appear to be 1508 01:09:19,570 --> 01:09:18,049 and you know you'd think that you think 1509 01:09:21,789 --> 01:09:19,580 that the planet they come from probably 1510 01:09:24,189 --> 01:09:21,799 has less mass than our own so you know 1511 01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:24,199 you'd think they would be used to less 1512 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:25,699 gravity and here they are coming to a 1513 01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:27,170 planet with a lot more grass not like 1514 01:09:31,209 --> 01:09:29,000 when we went to the moon and there yeah 1515 01:09:33,550 --> 01:09:31,219 it has 15% of the gravity of Earth and 1516 01:09:33,939 --> 01:09:33,560 this situation reversed you know what I 1517 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:33,949 mean 1518 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:35,810 yeah it's almost like are they going to 1519 01:09:39,999 --> 01:09:37,730 implode but again do they have this 1520 01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:40,009 force field around them right or what's 1521 01:09:45,220 --> 01:09:43,100 happening and I have I can't cite a 1522 01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:45,230 specific case but I seem to remember 1523 01:09:50,860 --> 01:09:47,779 that people kind of feel that the air is 1524 01:09:53,410 --> 01:09:50,870 like electrically charged within the 1525 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:53,420 sighting of a UFO but that's all I can 1526 01:09:58,180 --> 01:09:55,850 really seem to remember right now yeah 1527 01:10:00,850 --> 01:09:58,190 so some people have have mentioned it is 1528 01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,860 that it Ryan you all set yeah that's it 1529 01:10:11,709 --> 01:10:07,919 all right so again the lines open if 1530 01:10:13,930 --> 01:10:11,719 Lauren kgr a radio over in the chat 1531 01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:13,940 there it was posted in the phone number 1532 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:16,850 was posted over there it's also up on 1533 01:10:20,979 --> 01:10:18,770 YouTube anyone that wants to call in is 1534 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:20,989 welcome to call in now we were talking 1535 01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:24,050 about lobstermen and that's just a I can 1536 01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:26,190 Salem Lumberjacks are you know 1537 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:28,770 I got to know some lumber people way up 1538 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:31,650 in Maine in the Grand Lake Stream area I 1539 01:10:35,150 --> 01:10:32,730 don't know if you even know where that 1540 01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:35,160 is but it's a beautiful part Grand Lake 1541 01:10:43,820 --> 01:10:39,199 mean way up there and it's a hard life 1542 01:10:45,979 --> 01:10:43,830 they're really very sort of macho I 1543 01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:45,989 guess you'd call them or if you wanted 1544 01:10:51,770 --> 01:10:49,500 to generalize again everyone you know I 1545 01:10:54,170 --> 01:10:51,780 don't want to just say all you know 1546 01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:54,180 Mainers are this way or that way but how 1547 01:11:00,170 --> 01:10:55,800 do you break the ice when you're trying 1548 01:11:01,610 --> 01:11:00,180 to talk to someone you know how you get 1549 01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,620 their confidence I mean that must be 1550 01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,120 really difficult you know any neighbors 1551 01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,239 I would say early on it might have been 1552 01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:09,600 but I'm just very used to talking to 1553 01:11:16,459 --> 01:11:11,630 people now and for me it's about 1554 01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:16,469 kindness and talking to them with an 1555 01:11:24,620 --> 01:11:19,260 open-minded skepticism which is pretty 1556 01:11:26,510 --> 01:11:24,630 much you know sans sans judgment because 1557 01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:26,520 the last thing especially a manor but 1558 01:11:31,250 --> 01:11:28,199 the last thing anybody wants to feel is 1559 01:11:33,979 --> 01:11:31,260 is judged especially in a negative 1560 01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:33,989 manner and so I'm very assuring of the 1561 01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:35,790 fact that I all I want is to hear the 1562 01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:37,680 story I'm gonna ask you a few questions 1563 01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:40,620 and if you want and if it's okay with 1564 01:11:45,860 --> 01:11:43,380 you then I will share the the story on a 1565 01:11:48,140 --> 01:11:45,870 bigger level only if that's okay with 1566 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:48,150 you and I've never gone back on that 1567 01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:50,610 word I've never once published a story 1568 01:11:55,310 --> 01:11:54,000 that somebody told me not to that would 1569 01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:55,320 just go against everything that I 1570 01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:56,640 believe in and everything that I told 1571 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:00,230 them you know I've been talking with 1572 01:12:04,970 --> 01:12:02,489 quite a bit with the lease beagle he's 1573 01:12:06,170 --> 01:12:04,980 out actually just came back from 1574 01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,180 California's Bennett who was out there 1575 01:12:09,740 --> 01:12:08,400 for like six weeks coming back for week 1576 01:12:12,459 --> 01:12:09,750 and going back out again they're trying 1577 01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:12,469 to get James Fox 1578 01:12:17,689 --> 01:12:14,850 their movie dice you know completely 1579 01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:17,699 love working around the clock out there 1580 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:20,780 and he has told me that they've had 1581 01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:24,090 major interviews we've had a couple of 1582 01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,040 major interviews lined up where they 1583 01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:28,380 actually flew even I believe one of them 1584 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:30,690 even out of the country to get to and 1585 01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:33,090 the person had cleared feet 1586 01:12:36,650 --> 01:12:35,100 right in the middle of the interview can 1587 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:36,660 you imagine I'm going to be always 1588 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:38,890 happen to meet many times really there 1589 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:40,570 there are some great stories that I even 1590 01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:42,970 wrote up and once again came time to 1591 01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:45,190 send them the release letter because any 1592 01:12:51,570 --> 01:12:48,280 time a story's about to be published and 1593 01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:51,580 I use names I have to send them a 1594 01:12:57,690 --> 01:12:54,250 release to say that it's okay oh yeah it 1595 01:12:59,520 --> 01:12:57,700 yeah and that's one cold feet starts 1596 01:13:01,590 --> 01:12:59,530 that's when it starts to get real so 1597 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:01,600 then I counter with how about I use a 1598 01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:03,730 pseudonym sometimes that has worked 1599 01:13:06,810 --> 01:13:05,350 you'll see it in the book when a 1600 01:13:08,250 --> 01:13:06,820 person's name is listed and then in 1601 01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:08,260 parentheses right next to it it'll say 1602 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:11,320 pseudonym that's mostly because they 1603 01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:13,510 don't want their name known that is the 1604 01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:16,240 case in the the mothman case I you know 1605 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:17,740 I spoke to the gentleman but it's that's 1606 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:19,690 not his real name in the book but 1607 01:13:23,130 --> 01:13:21,250 anyways it's you know it's about it's 1608 01:13:25,470 --> 01:13:23,140 about being kind and if they don't want 1609 01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:25,480 to use it you got to respect it a lot of 1610 01:13:29,820 --> 01:13:28,480 people will say that you know nothing 1611 01:13:32,190 --> 01:13:29,830 really means anything unless someone 1612 01:13:34,230 --> 01:13:32,200 gives a real name but I understand that 1613 01:13:39,930 --> 01:13:34,240 I've actually offered there was a pilot 1614 01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:39,940 i sat next to on a flight west that 1615 01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:42,880 actually told me about he was in the Air 1616 01:13:50,130 --> 01:13:45,700 Force flying up f-18 I think it was and 1617 01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:50,140 had a green orb UFO encounter and I said 1618 01:13:55,020 --> 01:13:52,540 to him hey but he was a he was an 1619 01:13:57,090 --> 01:13:55,030 airline pilot still for United and I 1620 01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:57,100 said do you mind coming on my show he 1621 01:14:01,650 --> 01:13:59,440 wouldn't even come on anonymously you 1622 01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:01,660 know so some people even get cold feet 1623 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:03,690 right 1624 01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:06,970 yeah yeah there was a gentleman that I 1625 01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:10,590 spoke to who currently works for a major 1626 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:15,010 New York newspaper that has a couple of 1627 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:18,250 pretty incredible encounters and towards 1628 01:14:21,420 --> 01:14:20,050 the end of it wasn't able to use the 1629 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:21,430 name or where he works 1630 01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:22,810 because that would have been pretty 1631 01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:25,210 incredible in my opinion especially the 1632 01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:26,800 type of work that he was doing I thought 1633 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:28,630 it would lend a lot of credibility to 1634 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:31,330 the story so I ended up having to refer 1635 01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,730 to the story somewhat vaguely towards 1636 01:14:39,330 --> 01:14:36,400 the end of my book all right so we're 1637 01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:39,340 pardon me go ahead no go ahead no I 1638 01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:41,350 wanted to get into some other stories if 1639 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:44,560 we could and instead of me just picking 1640 01:14:51,510 --> 01:14:47,850 one out besides this one I would like to 1641 01:14:52,940 --> 01:14:51,520 ask you the invasion in Scarborough that 1642 01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:52,950 one just sounds 1643 01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:55,600 sounds interesting scarborough is just 1644 01:15:02,220 --> 01:14:58,210 below Portland Maine right right along 1645 01:15:04,050 --> 01:15:02,230 the coast so let's hear that one and 1646 01:15:07,530 --> 01:15:04,060 then I wanted you to talk about a couple 1647 01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:07,540 of other UFO incidents yeah yeah 1648 01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:10,360 absolutely the scarborough quote-unquote 1649 01:15:15,450 --> 01:15:12,520 invasion some of the titles 1650 01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:15,460 maybe seem a little fantastic but if you 1651 01:15:19,260 --> 01:15:17,530 look through the the the contents the 1652 01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:19,270 table of contents of the book what I'm 1653 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:21,190 going through is like a 50s and 60s 1654 01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,290 sci-fi feel for the name of the chapters 1655 01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:25,360 so there's like starship trooper and you 1656 01:15:30,510 --> 01:15:27,820 know things like that yeah so just a 1657 01:15:32,940 --> 01:15:30,520 enough why I on that but invasion in 1658 01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:32,950 Scarborough kind of seems a bit fitting 1659 01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:36,070 this was somebody going to the drive-in 1660 01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:38,920 movies in Scarborough and that driving 1661 01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:42,880 is still there and as the cars are 1662 01:15:48,450 --> 01:15:44,470 shuffling or moving their way slowly 1663 01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:48,460 into the drive-in this one individual in 1664 01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:51,010 particular saw this really bright light 1665 01:15:55,170 --> 01:15:53,860 from a little ways away probably 200 1666 01:15:57,930 --> 01:15:55,180 yards you know like two maybe three 1667 01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:57,940 football fields away and it was just 1668 01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:00,640 very oddly placed it was kind of like on 1669 01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:02,590 the side of the road but up towards the 1670 01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:03,940 tree line a little bit it didn't seem 1671 01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,640 right to him and he almost thought it 1672 01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:08,080 was like the National Guard maybe doing 1673 01:16:12,810 --> 01:16:10,900 some training or something so he kind of 1674 01:16:14,730 --> 01:16:12,820 kept spying this as he's trying to make 1675 01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:14,740 his way into the drive-in so they can 1676 01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:17,560 watch the movie and it's getting closer 1677 01:16:24,110 --> 01:16:20,230 and it's getting closer now other people 1678 01:16:28,770 --> 01:16:24,120 are starting to see it and this light 1679 01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:28,780 then kind of dims and a large craft is 1680 01:16:34,590 --> 01:16:31,810 observed and this craft is traveling 1681 01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:34,600 just below the treetops and it actually 1682 01:16:43,950 --> 01:16:40,050 makes its way over the drive-in theater 1683 01:16:46,260 --> 01:16:43,960 screen so it's like half peeking over 1684 01:16:48,270 --> 01:16:46,270 the drive-in theater screen and there's 1685 01:16:49,890 --> 01:16:48,280 80 a hundred people there and this 1686 01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:49,900 witness said that some people were 1687 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:51,850 dropping their things and screaming and 1688 01:16:57,060 --> 01:16:54,810 running and he never really kind of knew 1689 01:16:59,370 --> 01:16:57,070 what to make of it or what happened with 1690 01:17:02,160 --> 01:16:59,380 it but he certainly reported it to MUFON 1691 01:17:05,010 --> 01:17:02,170 and MUFON investigated it and ultimately 1692 01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:05,020 came back as unknown they they didn't 1693 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:06,070 have any 1694 01:17:12,810 --> 01:17:10,090 anything to attribute it to well now you 1695 01:17:15,450 --> 01:17:12,820 had actually you had a belief was it a 1696 01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:15,460 chapter or something that was written by 1697 01:17:21,689 --> 01:17:18,520 someone from MUFON right yeah yeah the 1698 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:21,699 I've I've been working with Valerie 1699 01:17:27,810 --> 01:17:24,130 Schultz she's the main state director of 1700 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:27,820 MUFON and New Hampshire actually and her 1701 01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:29,650 and I have been working together pretty 1702 01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:31,900 closely she's shared six seven eight 1703 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:34,900 stories in this book and she actually we 1704 01:17:39,780 --> 01:17:37,090 co-wrote a couple of them together and 1705 01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:39,790 the invasion in Scarborough is one of 1706 01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:43,449 those and she's a wealth of knowledge I 1707 01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:46,000 do have some apprehension working with 1708 01:17:54,089 --> 01:17:50,130 MUFON especially since the John venture 1709 01:17:55,950 --> 01:17:54,099 fiasco in my opinion and he was actually 1710 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:55,960 the main state director he was the the 1711 01:17:59,520 --> 01:17:57,610 state director of nine different states 1712 01:18:00,780 --> 01:17:59,530 including Philly and Maine I'm not sure 1713 01:18:05,370 --> 01:18:00,790 if he was New Hampshire as well 1714 01:18:07,709 --> 01:18:05,380 but so what yeah once the once the the 1715 01:18:10,740 --> 01:18:07,719 racism thing came out he was immediately 1716 01:18:13,470 --> 01:18:10,750 removed from you know his State Director 1717 01:18:15,300 --> 01:18:13,480 titles in all nine states and Valerie 1718 01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:15,310 who was the assistant state director at 1719 01:18:20,819 --> 01:18:16,810 the time was promoted to state director 1720 01:18:22,859 --> 01:18:20,829 now I feel like I know I said I feel 1721 01:18:24,899 --> 01:18:22,869 apprehensive working with MUFON but the 1722 01:18:27,930 --> 01:18:24,909 fielding investigators the assistant 1723 01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:27,940 director the director it is all non paid 1724 01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:30,610 volunteer work and these people are 1725 01:18:35,370 --> 01:18:33,550 hardworking honest people really trying 1726 01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:35,380 to do just exactly what you know you and 1727 01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:36,880 I and other investigators you're trying 1728 01:18:40,589 --> 01:18:38,560 to do trying to figure out what's going 1729 01:18:43,649 --> 01:18:40,599 on trying to get stories and share them 1730 01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:43,659 you know so I have a hard time judging 1731 01:18:49,979 --> 01:18:46,449 the actions of a few to to the entire 1732 01:18:52,050 --> 01:18:49,989 corporation if you will you know so I 1733 01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:52,060 have a great relationship with with with 1734 01:18:55,260 --> 01:18:53,409 Val and we're gonna continue to work 1735 01:18:57,899 --> 01:18:55,270 together we actually have a meeting this 1736 01:19:00,450 --> 01:18:57,909 Saturday up in Millinocket Millinocket 1737 01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:00,460 Wow yep I can't get there from here 1738 01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:03,550 that's one of the yeah it's a Burton 1739 01:19:19,460 --> 01:19:17,129 yeah okay so a couple of them I wanted 1740 01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:19,470 you you said there was another 1741 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:21,630 encounter I that you had your own 1742 01:19:27,140 --> 01:19:25,410 opinion on and what was that yeah I was 1743 01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:27,150 actually the allegation okay yeah let's 1744 01:19:33,020 --> 01:19:31,650 hear that well there's a newspaper up in 1745 01:19:35,150 --> 01:19:33,030 Presque Isle I think it's called like 1746 01:19:36,740 --> 01:19:35,160 the fiddlehead press or something it 1747 01:19:37,940 --> 01:19:36,750 really just is the major newspaper in 1748 01:19:39,470 --> 01:19:37,950 Presque Isle I think it was called the 1749 01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:39,480 Presque Isle Times or the Presque Isle 1750 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:41,730 Herald or something at one time but it's 1751 01:19:45,730 --> 01:19:44,250 changed to like the fiddlehead something 1752 01:19:52,610 --> 01:19:45,740 or other I forget it's in the book 1753 01:19:56,660 --> 01:19:52,620 anyway this article came out where one 1754 01:20:00,020 --> 01:19:56,670 of the four members of the Allagash 1755 01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:00,030 abduction has since recanted his claims 1756 01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:03,060 oh I know about that yeah yeah yeah 1757 01:20:10,210 --> 01:20:04,800 there's been a lot of friction about 1758 01:20:12,350 --> 01:20:10,220 that and yeah directly from but going or 1759 01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:12,360 well there you know there's been some 1760 01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:17,880 infighting and is it Chuck Chuck is 1761 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:20,340 Chuck his baby on this show way back 1762 01:20:27,860 --> 01:20:24,330 when Chuck and yeah yeah Jim Jack and 1763 01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:27,870 Charlie still believe that they were 1764 01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:30,600 abducted but Chuck no longer does Chuck 1765 01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:33,360 Rack is his name right right it was 1766 01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:35,760 Charlie that I had on okay so you must 1767 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:37,440 said Jim and Charlie yeah I had Jim and 1768 01:20:41,810 --> 01:20:39,690 Charlie on yes and the name of that 1769 01:20:45,140 --> 01:20:41,820 newspaper is the federal fiddlehead 1770 01:20:47,690 --> 01:20:45,150 focus and it was it's out of Madawaska 1771 01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:47,700 Maine yeah sort of listener that doesn't 1772 01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:50,640 know fiddlehead is a fern and they cut 1773 01:20:55,070 --> 01:20:53,280 him in in the spring and cook them up 1774 01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:55,080 and put butter and vinegar and pepper 1775 01:21:03,530 --> 01:20:57,900 mhm mhm mhm they good they are tasty 1776 01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,540 think I'm or wild asparagus kinda yeah 1777 01:21:08,900 --> 01:21:06,000 but this article came out in 2016 where 1778 01:21:10,940 --> 01:21:08,910 Chuck Rack one of the four has distanced 1779 01:21:13,940 --> 01:21:10,950 himself and says that it never happened 1780 01:21:16,100 --> 01:21:13,950 he even has discrepancies in how big the 1781 01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:16,110 wood was that they put on their fire 1782 01:21:20,780 --> 01:21:18,420 because the fire that they built is kind 1783 01:21:22,690 --> 01:21:20,790 of the crux of their missing time you 1784 01:21:27,170 --> 01:21:22,700 know where they built this huge fire 1785 01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:27,180 where they used wood that was as big as 1786 01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,450 10 12 15 inches around and that they 1787 01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:32,460 kind of made it bonfire style so they 1788 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:33,270 can make their 1789 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:35,850 back to shore after doing some night 1790 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:38,970 fishing well truck rack now states that 1791 01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:42,330 they use smaller less than a diameter of 1792 01:21:46,940 --> 01:21:44,850 someone's forearm type of wood which is 1793 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:46,950 why it burned out a lot more quickly and 1794 01:21:50,930 --> 01:21:49,170 it didn't last as long as they say and 1795 01:21:52,610 --> 01:21:50,940 that missing time didn't happen well 1796 01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,620 anyways the other three gentlemen said 1797 01:21:57,650 --> 01:21:54,000 it did happen that they were abducted 1798 01:22:01,460 --> 01:21:57,660 and the reason I give my opinion in this 1799 01:22:04,250 --> 01:22:01,470 in this particular story is because this 1800 01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:04,260 was the first UFO story that I ever 1801 01:22:10,730 --> 01:22:07,500 heard of taking place in me and I saw it 1802 01:22:13,310 --> 01:22:10,740 on my favorite television show as a 1803 01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:13,320 child which was unsolved mysteries you 1804 01:22:19,460 --> 01:22:17,820 get Robert Stack and a UFO story and I'm 1805 01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:19,470 enthralled your enthrall I don't care 1806 01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:19,920 who you are 1807 01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:21,750 urine trough you know when you get when 1808 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:24,510 you add Robert Stack and UFOs anyway so 1809 01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,890 that's where I first heard the allagash 1810 01:22:30,380 --> 01:22:27,600 abduction story and so I was fascinated 1811 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:30,390 by it years later I ended up getting 1812 01:22:35,540 --> 01:22:33,570 Raymond Fowler's book on the Allagash 1813 01:22:38,180 --> 01:22:35,550 abductions and this is a thorough 1814 01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,190 thorough telling of the story with 1815 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:40,080 investigations and hypnotic regression 1816 01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:42,090 and and all this really really great 1817 01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:45,480 stuff and so I've been a believer of 1818 01:22:54,110 --> 01:22:51,120 this story and Jim Jack and Charlie have 1819 01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:54,120 described that Chuck's actions have been 1820 01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:57,420 almost violent at some points and he's 1821 01:23:02,360 --> 01:22:59,370 not welcome yeah and he's not welcomed 1822 01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:02,370 at some UFO conferences anymore and once 1823 01:23:06,860 --> 01:23:04,440 you get violence and name-calling and 1824 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:06,870 all that stuff played into the mix this 1825 01:23:12,380 --> 01:23:09,210 is just me personal opinion no marce 1826 01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:12,390 Lubbock as an individual you're gonna be 1827 01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:15,600 violent I got no time for you so I'm 1828 01:23:18,650 --> 01:23:17,190 just of the opinion that the other three 1829 01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:18,660 are telling the truth 1830 01:23:25,810 --> 01:23:21,600 and that's that's what I'm sticking to 1831 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:25,820 that's sort of I was trying to find my 1832 01:23:32,180 --> 01:23:29,370 correspondence with Charlie on that 1833 01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:32,190 because um he did he did clear some 1834 01:23:38,210 --> 01:23:36,150 things up on that and it's an incredible 1835 01:23:43,900 --> 01:23:38,220 story it really is this oh here he is 1836 01:23:53,710 --> 01:23:45,640 okay 1837 01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:53,720 I'll try to stay away from any sensitive 1838 01:23:59,230 --> 01:23:56,780 part of it but this was actually from 1839 01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,240 Charlie he says well Chuck has always 1840 01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,000 had a mercenary motive in his actions 1841 01:24:09,330 --> 01:24:04,400 and behavior which is a major major 1842 01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:09,340 reason we distance ourselves from him 1843 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:11,570 what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna contact 1844 01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:13,850 Chuck and just see if it's okay and if 1845 01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:15,410 it's not okay I'll just pull this from 1846 01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:18,860 the from the audio if you keep it though 1847 01:24:25,060 --> 01:24:21,070 I just want to comment mercenary motive 1848 01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:25,070 yeah like that's that's he says he has 1849 01:24:30,940 --> 01:24:28,880 some issues and violent traits which has 1850 01:24:34,540 --> 01:24:30,950 banned him from many UFO conferences and 1851 01:24:37,230 --> 01:24:34,550 life and venues I think he did share 1852 01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:37,240 that would the the fiddlehead focus but 1853 01:24:42,850 --> 01:24:39,800 yeah I know yours I know your source is 1854 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:42,860 the email so I understand that yeah and 1855 01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:45,410 they were approached to by Henry Winkler 1856 01:24:49,930 --> 01:24:46,970 of all people to make a movie based on 1857 01:24:54,490 --> 01:24:49,940 the allagash experience but declined due 1858 01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:54,500 to the differences because of Chuck how 1859 01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:56,150 recent was that do you know no I don't 1860 01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:00,560 know and but anyway so that's the 1861 01:25:07,210 --> 01:25:03,890 problem with that and I think it is 1862 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:07,220 interesting but to me that the whole 1863 01:25:12,850 --> 01:25:10,250 story I mean I would love to have jack 1864 01:25:15,820 --> 01:25:12,860 on I haven't spoke spoken with Jack but 1865 01:25:17,710 --> 01:25:15,830 I heard an interview on open minds with 1866 01:25:19,690 --> 01:25:17,720 oh that's a great interview great and it 1867 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:19,700 is an amazing interview especially near 1868 01:25:24,940 --> 01:25:23,090 the end when he he says some things that 1869 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:24,950 are just profound I think anyone can 1870 01:25:28,330 --> 01:25:26,570 find that interview if you look on open 1871 01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:28,340 minds and just cousin 1872 01:25:35,590 --> 01:25:33,590 Jack's name it's really really something 1873 01:25:37,690 --> 01:25:35,600 one of my favorite interviews that I 1874 01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:37,700 heard on open mindset alejandro did 1875 01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:42,800 actually so yeah the allagash to me you 1876 01:25:47,890 --> 01:25:44,510 know they had the sighting the day 1877 01:25:50,830 --> 01:25:47,900 before you know with with witnesses and 1878 01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:50,840 you know just the whole thing and then 1879 01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:53,120 they spoke with a ranger but just the 1880 01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:55,910 lapse of their memory for all those 1881 01:25:59,859 --> 01:25:57,800 years until master 1882 01:26:01,060 --> 01:25:59,869 happening like a lot of people you know 1883 01:26:02,620 --> 01:26:01,070 it's kind of like Roswell like that 1884 01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,630 really didn't hit its stride until like 1885 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:04,639 30 years later you know and and it's 1886 01:26:08,979 --> 01:26:06,170 kind of similar with the allagash case 1887 01:26:11,140 --> 01:26:08,989 like it wasn't really spoken about until 1888 01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:11,150 years later when one of the gentlemen I 1889 01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:13,040 forget who it was now started having 1890 01:26:17,709 --> 01:26:15,650 those weird dreams you know Jim always 1891 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:17,719 who was on a construction site and fell 1892 01:26:22,959 --> 01:26:19,730 down into a hole and injured his back 1893 01:26:26,140 --> 01:26:22,969 severely and he was in the hospital for 1894 01:26:29,229 --> 01:26:26,150 I think months and he started having 1895 01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:29,239 those dreams and yeah then to find out 1896 01:26:32,830 --> 01:26:31,040 they all had those dreams this is 1897 01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:32,840 basically an recounting this for the 1898 01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:34,610 people haven't actually heard the story 1899 01:26:40,780 --> 01:26:38,780 itself and then he saw Whitley 1900 01:26:44,799 --> 01:26:40,790 streamer's book did you ever hear that 1901 01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:44,809 part I did yeah on there was a little 1902 01:26:48,459 --> 01:26:46,190 cart going around with books in the 1903 01:26:50,379 --> 01:26:48,469 hospital and he saw the cover of Whitley 1904 01:26:53,169 --> 01:26:50,389 strivers book and he just went into like 1905 01:26:54,879 --> 01:26:53,179 this panic and he said that it was all 1906 01:26:57,399 --> 01:26:54,889 ringing a bell to him you know the whole 1907 01:27:00,160 --> 01:26:57,409 thing and it all came back to him which 1908 01:27:03,069 --> 01:27:00,170 it all came back to everyone else and as 1909 01:27:07,229 --> 01:27:03,079 well as the artwork I don't know their 1910 01:27:11,770 --> 01:27:07,239 artwork all changed and Jack actually 1911 01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:11,780 began to work his math all of a sudden 1912 01:27:18,069 --> 01:27:14,000 excelled and he started working with 1913 01:27:20,169 --> 01:27:18,079 space programs of some type it's all 1914 01:27:23,709 --> 01:27:20,179 really a fascinating story had no 1915 01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:23,719 interest in it before and became very 1916 01:27:31,470 --> 01:27:28,489 accomplished and very very interesting 1917 01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:31,480 case and I wish there would be a film 1918 01:27:36,220 --> 01:27:34,489 made on a real photo documentary because 1919 01:27:37,540 --> 01:27:36,230 I don't really believe there's one out 1920 01:27:41,229 --> 01:27:37,550 there not that I'm aware of that's 1921 01:27:43,810 --> 01:27:41,239 really good no definitely an interesting 1922 01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:43,820 case so one of the things you mentioned 1923 01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,130 earlier also you said you got to talk 1924 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:47,840 about the dog man case so let's hear 1925 01:27:51,370 --> 01:27:50,090 about that there's actually a dog man 1926 01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:51,380 encounter in the book and it was 1927 01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:53,170 actually covered on the sci-fi channel 1928 01:27:57,220 --> 01:27:55,250 and it's called I think it's called the 1929 01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:57,230 Wolf Pack let me look that up quick 1930 01:28:04,710 --> 01:27:58,449 because you can watch it for free on 1931 01:28:09,330 --> 01:28:04,720 YouTube or let me one sec here yeah 1932 01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:09,340 but when when did this happen that was I 1933 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:13,840 think it was 2006 but I wanted to tell 1934 01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:16,090 another encounter so since we can read 1935 01:28:19,890 --> 01:28:17,740 that story in my book and actually watch 1936 01:28:21,420 --> 01:28:19,900 their story on the sci-fi channel there 1937 01:28:23,730 --> 01:28:21,430 were some liberties taken but it's still 1938 01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:23,740 fascinating it's on the paranormal 1939 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:25,900 witness TV show and I believe it's 1940 01:28:30,660 --> 01:28:28,930 called wolf Packers that's but I spoke 1941 01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:30,670 to a gentleman probably three weeks ago 1942 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:33,280 who spoke of a dog men encounter up in 1943 01:28:39,450 --> 01:28:36,970 Eustis near Farmington and this happened 1944 01:28:42,750 --> 01:28:39,460 in the summer of 94 95 he's not really 1945 01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:42,760 sure but he went camping with his wife 1946 01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:45,490 and young son his son at the time was 1947 01:28:49,740 --> 01:28:47,710 four or five years old and he was 1948 01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:49,750 playing outside in front of the camper 1949 01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:53,980 and mom and dad were inside and dad 1950 01:28:57,930 --> 01:28:56,440 started looking you know like watching 1951 01:29:01,800 --> 01:28:57,940 the Sun to make sure he was okay 1952 01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:01,810 and he saw rate at the tree line but out 1953 01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:06,360 from the woods some weird creature 1954 01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:10,030 silently watching his son and so he 1955 01:29:14,370 --> 01:29:12,370 became very frightened and thought that 1956 01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:14,380 this creature was going to attack his 1957 01:29:20,190 --> 01:29:17,620 son so he opens the door and he says 1958 01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:20,200 he's about a telephone poles length away 1959 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:23,170 from this creature and that it had a big 1960 01:29:29,340 --> 01:29:26,890 wolf's head and it had grayish brownish 1961 01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:29,350 type fur which is very common in these 1962 01:29:34,770 --> 01:29:31,450 types of encounters and it was crouched 1963 01:29:38,250 --> 01:29:34,780 down in the crouched down position 1964 01:29:41,660 --> 01:29:38,260 the legs the hind legs or the legs in 1965 01:29:43,980 --> 01:29:41,670 general kind of looked like a kangaroo 1966 01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:43,990 because it was crouched down and had 1967 01:29:48,210 --> 01:29:46,510 like a big underside if you will but he 1968 01:29:49,170 --> 01:29:48,220 didn't see any type of kangaroo tail or 1969 01:29:51,210 --> 01:29:49,180 anything but that's just what it 1970 01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:51,220 reminded him of as it was crouched down 1971 01:29:56,190 --> 01:29:54,190 and that if this thing stood he 1972 01:29:58,410 --> 01:29:56,200 estimated it would probably be about 7 1973 01:30:02,370 --> 01:29:58,420 feet long or something or 7 feet tall 1974 01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:02,380 because of how crouched the legs were so 1975 01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:05,170 he went got his kid brought him back in 1976 01:30:09,540 --> 01:30:07,180 the camper looks outside the window and 1977 01:30:13,050 --> 01:30:09,550 this creature is gone a couple weeks 1978 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:13,060 later he and some friends and family who 1979 01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,410 told the story to a lot of people said 1980 01:30:20,810 --> 01:30:18,840 somebody who was up in that area camping 1981 01:30:24,020 --> 01:30:20,820 shot something that was really odd 1982 01:30:27,580 --> 01:30:24,030 looking and the main inland and 1983 01:30:31,190 --> 01:30:27,590 Fisheries came in and took the creature 1984 01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:31,200 Wow so again this was in 94 95 so I 1985 01:30:37,670 --> 01:30:35,040 emailed them and explained the encounter 1986 01:30:39,860 --> 01:30:37,680 the best I could and gave them the time 1987 01:30:41,540 --> 01:30:39,870 frame and just wanted to ask the 1988 01:30:44,180 --> 01:30:41,550 findings of whatever creature they got 1989 01:30:46,070 --> 01:30:44,190 you know was it just some sort of you 1990 01:30:48,440 --> 01:30:46,080 know mundane wool fur wool foot mange or 1991 01:30:50,630 --> 01:30:48,450 you know was it a kangaroo or you know 1992 01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:50,640 something like that but I've yet to hear 1993 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:52,440 back from them so the next time you know 1994 01:30:54,980 --> 01:30:53,610 I'm in Augusta that's where their 1995 01:30:56,540 --> 01:30:54,990 headquarters is I'm going to stop in and 1996 01:31:00,380 --> 01:30:56,550 see if I can talk to somebody they call 1997 01:31:02,510 --> 01:31:00,390 those Maine gurus yeah bang gurus Wow 1998 01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,520 that is strange 1999 01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:05,520 and I actually have a when I was growing 2000 01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,590 up in Elliot Maine I had my next-door 2001 01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:12,960 neighbor was somewhere up in Maine and 2002 01:31:19,970 --> 01:31:16,920 shot that weirdest-looking it was it was 2003 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:19,980 some type of probably just messed up 2004 01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:22,410 genetically deer but it was healthy 2005 01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:24,120 running in the woods and there's a 2006 01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:27,060 strangest looking things and thing I had 2007 01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,060 ever seen it was a buck and they called 2008 01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,920 bucks like eight-point buck of the 2009 01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:33,840 little points on the antlers this had 2010 01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:37,500 over 40 over 40 points I mean what most 2011 01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:40,010 bizarre looking thing you ever saw 2012 01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:41,460 that's crazy 2013 01:31:47,150 --> 01:31:44,940 and it had a little short hind section 2014 01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:47,160 little tiny hind section and the real 2015 01:31:53,390 --> 01:31:51,210 broad you know real broad shoulders up 2016 01:31:55,370 --> 01:31:53,400 you know like did it did it sit in an 2017 01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:55,380 angry I know it was like a real beer it 2018 01:31:59,650 --> 01:31:57,480 was the strangest looking things so yeah 2019 01:32:04,640 --> 01:31:59,660 they mean they were probably weird 2020 01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:04,650 animal beer and maybe such vast you know 2021 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:08,360 mean itself is such a there's so much 2022 01:32:14,780 --> 01:32:12,330 undeveloped land and woods up there as a 2023 01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:14,790 matter of fact there was a there was a 2024 01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:18,480 man that moved up from Massachusetts up 2025 01:32:22,670 --> 01:32:20,370 toward the allagash somewhere and 2026 01:32:25,610 --> 01:32:22,680 decided to disappear for something like 2027 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:25,620 over 20 years did you hear about that a 2028 01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:27,450 Massachusetts wrong moved up there oh 2029 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:28,510 yeah the the 2030 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:30,010 Herman of Maine there's a book written 2031 01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:32,050 about him and that's right and there was 2032 01:32:38,610 --> 01:32:35,760 only I believe he only encountered one 2033 01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:38,620 person the entire time one person the 2034 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:42,400 entire time but he was getting by by 2035 01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:45,930 stealing supplies at nearby camps oh I 2036 01:32:52,590 --> 01:32:50,110 didn't hear yes oh the the game wardens 2037 01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:52,600 kind of got wise to this so they started 2038 01:32:56,670 --> 01:32:54,730 setting up some some cameras at this 2039 01:32:58,770 --> 01:32:56,680 camp for I think it was a camp for girls 2040 01:33:00,030 --> 01:32:58,780 but don't quote me on that but they set 2041 01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:00,040 up some cameras to see if they could 2042 01:33:02,340 --> 01:33:01,210 catch whoever it was and sure enough 2043 01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:02,350 they caught him 2044 01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:04,360 somebody rushed over there pretended the 2045 01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:05,770 guy and then the whole story came out 2046 01:33:10,110 --> 01:33:07,810 pretty crazy fascinating book you should 2047 01:33:12,540 --> 01:33:10,120 check it out yeah I can't imagine I mean 2048 01:33:14,430 --> 01:33:12,550 with the winters are so harsh I can't 2049 01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:14,440 imagine what someone would do out in the 2050 01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:16,690 wild and supposedly the one thing I did 2051 01:33:21,570 --> 01:33:18,610 hear was that he didn't use camp fire 2052 01:33:22,020 --> 01:33:21,580 that's right never once and it's just 2053 01:33:24,570 --> 01:33:22,030 crazy 2054 01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:24,580 he said he would he would get warm just 2055 01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:26,800 by pacing around and layering up the 2056 01:33:32,100 --> 01:33:29,530 best he could and and you know making 2057 01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:32,110 forts if you will just to try to stop 2058 01:33:36,330 --> 01:33:34,180 the wind and you mean twos as they say 2059 01:33:38,340 --> 01:33:36,340 all right so our phone line is still 2060 01:33:40,590 --> 01:33:38,350 open that name nodes that numbers up in 2061 01:33:44,190 --> 01:33:40,600 the screen I'll ask Evan to type it over 2062 01:33:45,570 --> 01:33:44,200 on kgr a chat room over there so anyone 2063 01:33:48,090 --> 01:33:45,580 wants to call in you're welcome to call 2064 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:48,100 in any homies listen any should call in 2065 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:50,650 yeah anyone from Maine or even if you're 2066 01:33:54,390 --> 01:33:52,210 from the Northeast we'd like to call in 2067 01:33:56,100 --> 01:33:54,400 if you had an incident we did have a 2068 01:33:58,110 --> 01:33:56,110 couple calls from New Hampshire I 2069 01:33:59,970 --> 01:33:58,120 believe a while back so if you're 2070 01:34:02,250 --> 01:33:59,980 listening tonight love to hear from you 2071 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:02,260 yeah give a call hey Martin do you mind 2072 01:34:06,690 --> 01:34:03,610 if I talk about a couple other things 2073 01:34:08,010 --> 01:34:06,700 all right ahead sure so I have a podcast 2074 01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:08,020 of my own 2075 01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:11,050 really yeah it's called I want to 2076 01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:14,260 believe the podcast and you can find it 2077 01:34:18,510 --> 01:34:16,240 on iTunes you can find it actually 2078 01:34:22,230 --> 01:34:18,520 anywhere podcasts are found except for 2079 01:34:25,230 --> 01:34:22,240 Spotify and Spotify are a bunch of jerks 2080 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:25,240 so but yeah you can find it on iTunes 2081 01:34:29,790 --> 01:34:28,090 pod beating all that good stuff so I 2082 01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,800 want to believe you can search for it by 2083 01:34:33,630 --> 01:34:31,360 name or you can search for it by my name 2084 01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:33,640 Nomar Slovak and it's me and a buddy 2085 01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:37,120 that talk about specific cases really we 2086 01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:39,100 talk about the Dyatlov pass we talk 2087 01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:41,170 about the Dover demon and we talk about 2088 01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:42,489 a bunch of different things you 2089 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:45,130 I had Valerie Schultz on I've also 2090 01:34:50,190 --> 01:34:47,290 interviewed I'm a big horror movie fan 2091 01:34:52,290 --> 01:34:50,200 so I also interviewed Damien maffei he 2092 01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:52,300 played the man in the mask in The 2093 01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,210 Strangers pray at night and who actually 2094 01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,480 lives in Portland Maine and I email you 2095 01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:00,400 know I'm a musician so I've emailed some 2096 01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:02,770 musician buddies expose and brickowski 2097 01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:05,050 and Hobbes Sputnik or Hobbes stay busy 2098 01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:09,040 so it's quite an eclectic catch of 2099 01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:12,040 things and we do it a little bit 2100 01:35:16,140 --> 01:35:13,570 different I'm not really sure how you 2101 01:35:17,670 --> 01:35:16,150 guys really handle like the live thing I 2102 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:17,680 don't need that pressure in my life 2103 01:35:23,190 --> 01:35:21,370 so we pre record everything and we 2104 01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:23,200 actually pre record all the shows and 2105 01:35:28,650 --> 01:35:25,120 then we release it as seasons kind of 2106 01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:28,660 like Netflix top and then it's peppered 2107 01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:32,850 with some contemporary bonus episodes 2108 01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:35,860 okay you can just go out and throw the 2109 01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:38,830 website oh jeez it's just you want to 2110 01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:40,420 like go to iTunes and just search for I 2111 01:35:45,959 --> 01:35:43,600 want to believe okay yeah the website 2112 01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:45,969 this is definitely DIY at its finest 2113 01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:49,210 being an author if you're not Stephen 2114 01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:53,590 King money's tight so we do we can there 2115 01:35:58,350 --> 01:35:55,480 is a patreon page if you want to support 2116 01:36:00,959 --> 01:35:58,360 us so there's that also I'm working on a 2117 01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:00,969 documentary with Bill Brock Bill Brock 2118 01:36:06,959 --> 01:36:03,330 was the host of a Discovery Channel show 2119 01:36:08,970 --> 01:36:06,969 called monsters underground and he's in 2120 01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,980 the process of doing a series of three 2121 01:36:12,660 --> 01:36:10,719 documentaries for this year in the 2122 01:36:15,330 --> 01:36:12,670 beginning of next year and the first one 2123 01:36:17,729 --> 01:36:15,340 is called abducted New England so I 2124 01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:17,739 brought a couple of witnesses to the 2125 01:36:22,530 --> 01:36:20,260 case and then another one of our friends 2126 01:36:25,620 --> 01:36:22,540 brought another witness and we had 2127 01:36:27,209 --> 01:36:25,630 interviews and right now it's currently 2128 01:36:30,690 --> 01:36:27,219 being edited and we're hope that it's 2129 01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:30,700 gonna be out by the end of the summer 2130 01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:32,770 and it should be exclusively available 2131 01:36:41,010 --> 01:36:38,290 on vidi vidi space is a channel that was 2132 01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:41,020 started by Nick Groff Nick Groff used to 2133 01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:43,840 be on Ghost Adventures and is now on 2134 01:36:47,310 --> 01:36:45,250 paranormal lockdown it has a couple 2135 01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:47,320 other shows that he does and so he's 2136 01:36:51,209 --> 01:36:48,820 launched this channel and they have the 2137 01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:51,219 exclusive rights for a little bit we are 2138 01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:53,940 going to be putting it on DVD as well 2139 01:36:58,109 --> 01:36:56,110 I'm also working 2140 01:36:59,820 --> 01:36:58,119 a documentary of my own so the 2141 01:37:01,620 --> 01:36:59,830 documentary with bill Brock and I I'm 2142 01:37:04,140 --> 01:37:01,630 the writer producer and he's the 2143 01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:04,150 director on this new documentary I'm the 2144 01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:07,260 director and writer so it's a fantastic 2145 01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:11,290 crazy story of this couple from Southern 2146 01:37:16,740 --> 01:37:13,090 Maine that have had extraterrestrial 2147 01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:16,750 encounters since childhood and they they 2148 01:37:21,209 --> 01:37:18,670 finally want their story told and to get 2149 01:37:24,060 --> 01:37:21,219 out there so preliminary shooting is 2150 01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:24,070 gonna begin in August and I hope to have 2151 01:37:28,590 --> 01:37:26,050 everything filmed by the end of fall and 2152 01:37:30,180 --> 01:37:28,600 then I'm going to edit everything during 2153 01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:30,190 the winter and hopefully come spring 2154 01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:32,409 I'll have something to release to 2155 01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:35,830 everybody interesting well great okay 2156 01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:37,360 well good luck with all that hope that 2157 01:37:41,340 --> 01:37:39,489 goes well he's obviously just brought up 2158 01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:41,350 Stephen King so Stephen King lives in 2159 01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:44,409 your town Bangor Maine that's right my 2160 01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:48,100 house anyone drives by his mansion he's 2161 01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:52,000 got bat bats on the posts I had a friend 2162 01:37:57,060 --> 01:37:54,610 that lived in Bangor and he told me that 2163 01:37:58,500 --> 01:37:57,070 one one morning he drove by and the bats 2164 01:38:00,359 --> 01:37:58,510 were missing someone came along and 2165 01:38:04,979 --> 01:38:00,369 sawed them all off Wow 2166 01:38:06,450 --> 01:38:04,989 and he said bye-bye night time he drove 2167 01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:06,460 by again on the way home and the bats 2168 01:38:12,419 --> 01:38:09,100 were up again so he has some spare bats 2169 01:38:14,700 --> 01:38:12,429 waiting ready - well done anything so so 2170 01:38:15,689 --> 01:38:14,710 Stephen King wrote an interesting book I 2171 01:38:18,359 --> 01:38:15,699 remember reading it called the 2172 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:18,369 Tommyknockers and that's actually about 2173 01:38:24,570 --> 01:38:22,090 a alien spacecraft that's below ancient 2174 01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:24,580 an ancient alien spacecraft that's below 2175 01:38:28,770 --> 01:38:27,369 the ground in this little Maine town and 2176 01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:28,780 all these weird things start happening 2177 01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:30,850 all these people start acting weird it 2178 01:38:36,020 --> 01:38:33,250 starts to activate I believe that's what 2179 01:38:41,689 --> 01:38:36,030 it was said that many many years ago 2180 01:38:43,859 --> 01:38:41,699 back in the 80s I think I read that so 2181 01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:43,869 Stephen King would be someone really 2182 01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:45,010 interesting to have on your show 2183 01:38:50,850 --> 01:38:48,610 wouldn't he he really would and there 2184 01:38:53,459 --> 01:38:50,860 has been a bit of an effort to try to 2185 01:38:55,050 --> 01:38:53,469 talk to him the the book that sorry the 2186 01:38:58,020 --> 01:38:55,060 story that I told you about shots fired 2187 01:39:00,660 --> 01:38:58,030 where the guy fired at the UFO the 2188 01:39:02,070 --> 01:39:00,670 gentleman's name is John King and I've 2189 01:39:04,770 --> 01:39:02,080 been trying to see if I can get a 2190 01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:04,780 comment or something from Stephen - to 2191 01:39:08,220 --> 01:39:06,190 see if there's any sort of relation if 2192 01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:08,230 he's ever familiar with that story you 2193 01:39:16,129 --> 01:39:09,119 know 2194 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:16,139 with someone so let's talk about another 2195 01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,210 story you mentioned them one about 2196 01:39:22,819 --> 01:39:20,639 missing time but just there's so many in 2197 01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:22,829 here that are just interesting how about 2198 01:39:31,549 --> 01:39:26,880 the the tale of two brothers and the 2199 01:39:34,069 --> 01:39:31,559 tr-3b yeah there's a lot of there's a 2200 01:39:36,379 --> 01:39:34,079 lot of controversy about the tr-3b yeah 2201 01:39:38,569 --> 01:39:36,389 you know whether it is or not and I 2202 01:39:41,419 --> 01:39:38,579 think for the most part it's kind of 2203 01:39:43,069 --> 01:39:41,429 been it's kind of been debunked that 2204 01:39:44,540 --> 01:39:43,079 exists but these people are claiming 2205 01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:44,550 they were claiming they saw something 2206 01:39:50,330 --> 01:39:47,130 like that yeah they're claiming they saw 2207 01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:50,340 a triangle aircraft of some sort and 2208 01:39:55,279 --> 01:39:52,380 this happened in the late 70s they were 2209 01:39:57,859 --> 01:39:55,289 out eel fishing at night and I actually 2210 01:40:00,379 --> 01:39:57,869 brought the tr-3b name into the chapter 2211 01:40:03,469 --> 01:40:00,389 but they simply they simply talked about 2212 01:40:05,870 --> 01:40:03,479 seeing a large triangle with you know 2213 01:40:07,759 --> 01:40:05,880 these white and red lights and and 2214 01:40:10,459 --> 01:40:07,769 things like that so I was merely trying 2215 01:40:13,219 --> 01:40:10,469 to compare it to what a lot of UFO 2216 01:40:16,629 --> 01:40:13,229 conspiracy theorists yeah something that 2217 01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:16,639 that that I don't think myself to be or 2218 01:40:21,469 --> 01:40:19,170 have kind of come out and said that 2219 01:40:23,839 --> 01:40:21,479 anytime there's a triangle UFO scene 2220 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:23,849 it's one of these tr3 B's the Belgian 2221 01:40:28,580 --> 01:40:26,010 wave that happened in the you know mid 2222 01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:28,590 late 90s was all attributed to the tr-3b 2223 01:40:34,189 --> 01:40:31,260 blah blah blah blah blah and so I just 2224 01:40:36,140 --> 01:40:34,199 made the comparison that the tr-3b has 2225 01:40:39,709 --> 01:40:36,150 been brought up in relation to this 2226 01:40:42,379 --> 01:40:39,719 story of what these guys saw and it 2227 01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,389 really gained momentum with the Richard 2228 01:40:47,290 --> 01:40:44,159 Kramer case which I don't know if you're 2229 01:40:50,660 --> 01:40:47,300 familiar with but he claims to be a 2230 01:40:52,850 --> 01:40:50,670 somebody who was part of a galactic 2231 01:40:54,319 --> 01:40:52,860 space force which kind of sounds funny 2232 01:40:56,509 --> 01:40:54,329 now that Trump said that he wants to 2233 01:40:58,759 --> 01:40:56,519 make a space force but that he was part 2234 01:41:02,000 --> 01:40:58,769 of this galactic galactic space force 2235 01:41:05,810 --> 01:41:02,010 that trained on Mars and the way they 2236 01:41:07,580 --> 01:41:05,820 got there from Earth was the tr-3b so 2237 01:41:10,219 --> 01:41:07,590 it's gained a lot of woman from that and 2238 01:41:12,529 --> 01:41:10,229 it's just not something that I buy into 2239 01:41:14,989 --> 01:41:12,539 I you know what I guess I do put my 2240 01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:14,999 opinion in that one too just 2241 01:41:19,819 --> 01:41:17,610 specifically about the tr-3b but not the 2242 01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:19,829 guys story but the guy stories is as 2243 01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:21,310 simple as that 2244 01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:24,130 their ear eel fishing they hear this 2245 01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:27,040 whooshing sound above them they look up 2246 01:41:34,170 --> 01:41:29,980 and they see this giant very low very 2247 01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:34,180 slow flying black triangle and of course 2248 01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:35,920 the mesmerised by it and then it just 2249 01:41:41,970 --> 01:41:38,860 you know takes off in an instant now are 2250 01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:41,980 there a lot of triangle UFO sightings in 2251 01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:43,840 the Northeast that you are aware of 2252 01:41:53,000 --> 01:41:49,840 there are yes and yes make your book yes 2253 01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:53,010 one did there's a chapter that's about 2254 01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,650 viral videos from Maine where I called 2255 01:42:00,900 --> 01:41:58,960 them from mostly YouTube but there's a 2256 01:42:05,010 --> 01:42:00,910 few other websites as well but there's 2257 01:42:07,950 --> 01:42:05,020 one story out of Westbrook Maine that's 2258 01:42:09,570 --> 01:42:07,960 not too far from me that's only about 25 2259 01:42:13,980 --> 01:42:09,580 minutes from where I live in Sebago oh 2260 01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:13,990 boy oh boy hold on there is a Westbrook 2261 01:42:19,230 --> 01:42:15,130 sighting but the one I'm thinking about 2262 01:42:21,870 --> 01:42:19,240 is Rockland I'm so sorry okay beautiful 2263 01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:21,880 area up along the coast yeah yeah and 2264 01:42:25,830 --> 01:42:24,190 it's probably what a half hour maybe 40 2265 01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:25,840 minutes from Camden where the Mothman is 2266 01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:29,440 right thing happened but this was some 2267 01:42:36,330 --> 01:42:31,770 lights that were caught on video in 2015 2268 01:42:39,120 --> 01:42:36,340 and it is three lights that are lined up 2269 01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:39,130 as as a triangle and you can see them 2270 01:42:44,580 --> 01:42:41,890 very clear as day floating in unison 2271 01:42:46,470 --> 01:42:44,590 across the sky and this again this video 2272 01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:46,480 went viral this guy has been bothered 2273 01:42:50,430 --> 01:42:48,910 and bothered and bothered and I actually 2274 01:42:54,030 --> 01:42:50,440 reached out to him his name's Tyler 2275 01:42:55,770 --> 01:42:54,040 Pendleton and we did talk via facebook 2276 01:42:58,110 --> 01:42:55,780 Messenger he didn't want to meet in 2277 01:43:01,680 --> 01:42:58,120 person nor did he want to give me any 2278 01:43:03,630 --> 01:43:01,690 current quotes from our conversation 2279 01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:03,640 together so the best thing I could do is 2280 01:43:09,090 --> 01:43:05,650 just write about the story that already 2281 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:09,100 existed but I did talk to the gentleman 2282 01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:11,290 and he's convinced that what he saw was 2283 01:43:16,590 --> 01:43:13,510 otherworldly in nature what's 2284 01:43:18,690 --> 01:43:16,600 interesting is that there's a the 2285 01:43:20,970 --> 01:43:18,700 director of the Astronomy Center at the 2286 01:43:24,090 --> 01:43:20,980 University of Maine in Orono his name's 2287 01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:24,100 Scott Mitchell and he said there could 2288 01:43:28,730 --> 01:43:26,050 be he viewed the video and he said there 2289 01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:28,740 could be a any number of explanations 2290 01:43:34,050 --> 01:43:31,450 just the weather here on earth can get 2291 01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:34,060 kind of crazy if you look at this this 2292 01:43:37,299 --> 01:43:35,119 is not any sort of 2293 01:43:39,369 --> 01:43:37,309 weather phenomenon so in my opinion it's 2294 01:43:41,560 --> 01:43:39,379 ludicrous that even offers that as an 2295 01:43:44,350 --> 01:43:41,570 explanation but if you want to find this 2296 01:43:49,029 --> 01:43:44,360 story you can do a search for UFO 2297 01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:49,039 triangle , coastal Maine on YouTube 2298 01:43:54,100 --> 01:43:52,610 UFO triangle , coastal Maine you can 2299 01:43:56,319 --> 01:43:54,110 search for that specifically in YouTube 2300 01:43:59,649 --> 01:43:56,329 and find the video now I remember a 2301 01:44:02,589 --> 01:43:59,659 while back I was curious about Maine 2302 01:44:05,009 --> 01:44:02,599 UFOs on YouTube so I I was living in 2303 01:44:07,179 --> 01:44:05,019 Cape Elizabeth and it was actually 2304 01:44:10,839 --> 01:44:07,189 somewhat my neighbor actually saw a 2305 01:44:14,459 --> 01:44:10,849 triangle UFO during my show I've talked 2306 01:44:17,859 --> 01:44:14,469 about this a number of times and anyway 2307 01:44:21,699 --> 01:44:17,869 so I was curious and I looked on YouTube 2308 01:44:24,819 --> 01:44:21,709 and I found Cape Elizabeth Fort Williams 2309 01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:24,829 Park which is a place I still go a lot 2310 01:44:31,929 --> 01:44:28,610 walk around there alone very it's very 2311 01:44:33,959 --> 01:44:31,939 it's very very obvious from the video 2312 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:33,969 when you're watching it that it's a kite 2313 01:44:38,739 --> 01:44:37,010 and I forget how many views it has and 2314 01:44:41,229 --> 01:44:38,749 people are flying kites there all the 2315 01:44:43,839 --> 01:44:41,239 time yes it's definitely a kite it's 2316 01:44:46,359 --> 01:44:43,849 because it's like they say something 2317 01:44:49,719 --> 01:44:46,369 like it's hovering it's hovering yes of 2318 01:44:51,540 --> 01:44:49,729 course a kite hovers I also want to 2319 01:44:55,419 --> 01:44:51,550 point out that in the book I also 2320 01:44:58,929 --> 01:44:55,429 chronicle my own investigations to some 2321 01:45:01,089 --> 01:44:58,939 of these encounters so you'll you'll see 2322 01:45:02,859 --> 01:45:01,099 in some of the chapters that I'm talking 2323 01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,869 about meeting the witness talking to 2324 01:45:06,969 --> 01:45:04,639 them and then I actually go on site and 2325 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:06,979 conduct my own investigation and they're 2326 01:45:13,810 --> 01:45:10,570 kind of riddled with like hilarity and 2327 01:45:15,429 --> 01:45:13,820 strangeness and and it's just kind of 2328 01:45:17,859 --> 01:45:15,439 fun you know we're in this age of 2329 01:45:19,389 --> 01:45:17,869 documenting everything so I did that in 2330 01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:19,399 the written form so you get a complete 2331 01:45:24,009 --> 01:45:22,249 behind the scenes and and me talking 2332 01:45:26,199 --> 01:45:24,019 about like driving there and what 2333 01:45:27,699 --> 01:45:26,209 podcasts I'm downloading to listen to 2334 01:45:30,969 --> 01:45:27,709 and stuff like that I'm just I'm trying 2335 01:45:33,129 --> 01:45:30,979 to paint a picture you know and in my 2336 01:45:36,580 --> 01:45:33,139 opinion I really think what comes across 2337 01:45:39,819 --> 01:45:36,590 is the genuineness in which I'm trying 2338 01:45:41,409 --> 01:45:39,829 to convey these stories if that makes 2339 01:45:43,179 --> 01:45:41,419 sense you know so I just wanted to point 2340 01:45:45,369 --> 01:45:43,189 that out like there's there's a lot 2341 01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:45,379 involved and I work very hard you know 2342 01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:47,570 yeah well I think it's I think it's 2343 01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:48,490 always a good 2344 01:45:53,910 --> 01:45:51,610 - you know put in the surroundings story 2345 01:45:56,300 --> 01:45:53,920 it just adds a little bit to it you know 2346 01:46:00,960 --> 01:45:56,310 there's yeah much more than just a plain 2347 01:46:04,020 --> 01:46:00,970 interview and yeah and this yeah 2348 01:46:07,430 --> 01:46:04,030 and this publisher was much more open to 2349 01:46:10,290 --> 01:46:07,440 that as opposed to my last publisher 2350 01:46:12,210 --> 01:46:10,300 that one was kind of like you know 2351 01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,220 here's a starter guide to UFOs in Maine 2352 01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:14,560 and I really wanted to sink my teeth in 2353 01:46:18,330 --> 01:46:16,210 and tell a different type of story in 2354 01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:18,340 this book and you'll see that it's it's 2355 01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:21,670 much more detailed excellent well and it 2356 01:46:25,140 --> 01:46:23,620 was urgent I can't believe it we're at 2357 01:46:27,090 --> 01:46:25,150 the end of the show 2358 01:46:30,350 --> 01:46:27,100 Wow as far as I know that went pretty 2359 01:46:33,390 --> 01:46:30,360 fast so yeah thank you so much and 2360 01:46:36,380 --> 01:46:33,400 anyone can get this book check it out 2361 01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:36,390 it's otherworldly encounters and 2362 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:39,130 evidence of UFO sightings and abductions 2363 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:42,010 and that's over on Amazon and other 2364 01:46:47,070 --> 01:46:45,610 places you can find books that's right 2365 01:46:49,470 --> 01:46:47,080 it's it's available wherever books are 2366 01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:49,480 sold check out my podcast I want to 2367 01:46:53,580 --> 01:46:50,950 believe and abducted in New England 2368 01:46:55,020 --> 01:46:53,590 documentary coming soon excellent good 2369 01:46:57,630 --> 01:46:55,030 luck with that hope that goes thanks 2370 01:46:59,490 --> 01:46:57,640 alright alright thanks a lot and you 2371 01:47:02,850 --> 01:46:59,500 take care bye bye 2372 01:47:07,380 --> 01:47:02,860 alright everyone so our show next week 2373 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:07,390 we have Kevin Randall on and he's got 2374 01:47:11,070 --> 01:47:09,610 some things to talk about it's been a 2375 01:47:12,210 --> 01:47:11,080 while he had his own radio show for a 2376 01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:12,220 while but it's been a while since he's 2377 01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:15,310 been you know on the airwaves so it'll 2378 01:47:20,700 --> 01:47:17,440 be interesting actually this is the I 2379 01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:20,710 think the first post December 16th when 2380 01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:22,360 the New York Times article came out 2381 01:47:26,850 --> 01:47:25,810 first one that I believe he wants to 2382 01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:26,860 talk about that a little bit 2383 01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:28,690 so Kevin Randle next week I want to 2384 01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:29,890 thank everyone that helps out with the 2385 01:47:36,710 --> 01:47:33,670 show evan of course that is helping with 2386 01:47:40,590 --> 01:47:36,720 the YouTube a race over at kgr a radio 2387 01:47:43,130 --> 01:47:40,600 our guests of course Nomar Slovak don't 2388 01:47:46,140 --> 01:47:43,140 forget to check out his book online and 2389 01:47:49,470 --> 01:47:46,150 so that's it thank you so much everyone